I think billdave is on the right track; encourage insurance companies to adjust the rates for auto insurance in that area to cover the increased deer impact danger, maybe other property insurance too. Let the bunny huggers pay a premium for their deer lovin', and let everyone else in the area know why their insurance costs are increasing. I think that vocal 10% might get a healthy dose of shut-the-heck-up.
deer problem in my area(central ny)
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I think billdave is on the right track; encourage insurance companies to adjust the rates for auto insurance in that area to cover the increased deer impact danger, maybe other property insurance too. Let the bunny huggers pay a premium for their deer lovin', and let everyone else in the area know why their insurance costs are increasing. I think that vocal 10% might get a healthy dose of shut-the-heck-up.
Brian Pfleuger
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It is actually amazing, the number of people who "used to be" anti-hunters who have subsequently hit a deer with their BMW or Mercedes and suddenly grudgingly support hunting.
There are places around Cayuga Heights where the deer population and behavior is absolutely amazing. During bow season this year, I was driving on a road bisects the local golf course. There was a 4-point standing LITERALLY in the road eating acorns and there's a jogger on the other side of the road. The jogger goes past the deer just before I got there, easily within 15 feet of the deer, then I had to drive down the center of the road to miss the deer and still give the jogger room. I came within 2 or 3 feet of that deer with my car and it never so much as raised it's head for me or the jogger!
Brief suggestion, call it "population management" rather than a controlled hunt, or any other kind of hunt.
Couch the proposal such that it benefits the environment, leads to a more healthy deer population, reduction in deer ticks and other pests, less destruction of crops and residential landscape, fewer vehicular strikes, and yes, food for the homeless is a great idea.
In PA, MD, and VA, these types of management outings are quite frequent, and the hunters do not pay a fee to participate, they are donating their time and skills to help the State's Dept. of Natural Resources meet its environmental management objectives.
For what it's worth, and not to "brag" or anything, because I live simply and nobody I know would consider me a yuppie, but I'm fairly affluent, have advanced education from highly regarded Universities, and I drive a BMW.. so the generalizations made in the thread really don't serve much purpose to make the points being presented.
Ya know I almost hit a deer at 75mph with my BMW once, thanks to fine German engineering, the brakes and handling allowed me to avoid it completely. In my old 82 Buick Regal (455 olds, 4spd, locker rear), I plowed right through a similar beast in northern Michigan and splattered green mush and hair into every crevice imagineable. Did about $1400 in damage. Re-labeled her "Deer Slayer 455."
Couch the proposal such that it benefits the environment, leads to a more healthy deer population, reduction in deer ticks and other pests, less destruction of crops and residential landscape, fewer vehicular strikes, and yes, food for the homeless is a great idea.
In PA, MD, and VA, these types of management outings are quite frequent, and the hunters do not pay a fee to participate, they are donating their time and skills to help the State's Dept. of Natural Resources meet its environmental management objectives.
For what it's worth, and not to "brag" or anything, because I live simply and nobody I know would consider me a yuppie, but I'm fairly affluent, have advanced education from highly regarded Universities, and I drive a BMW.. so the generalizations made in the thread really don't serve much purpose to make the points being presented.
Ya know I almost hit a deer at 75mph with my BMW once, thanks to fine German engineering, the brakes and handling allowed me to avoid it completely. In my old 82 Buick Regal (455 olds, 4spd, locker rear), I plowed right through a similar beast in northern Michigan and splattered green mush and hair into every crevice imagineable. Did about $1400 in damage. Re-labeled her "Deer Slayer 455."
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Brian Pfleuger
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Booker T said:
These people know what ends with dead animals and what doesn't. Every possible suggestion has been made, even by "their own kind", highly educated, Phd, animals loving, Cornell (alumni) professor types. Believe me, it's been tried.
Booker T said:
It's not meant as a generalization. If you knew Cayuga Heights, you'd know. It is THE place that the yuppie, PhD, animal-rights, tree-hugger, Prius (and Mercedes SUV
) driving types live. This is not to say that all such people who would meet this "profile" are as "they" are in Cayuga Heights, but those in Cayuga Heights are exactly that.Well, except for the REAL radicals... they all drive 30 year old Mercedes station wagons converted to run on fry oil...
Brian Pfleuger
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I don't know the exact details. I have talked to a number of people who are intimately involved, from street level law enforcement to the Cornell Biologist in charge of the neighboring hunting and sterilization research project (even sat through his little informational seminars for hunters), as well as a few (reasonable) people who live in Cayuga Heights. I only know that every conceivable method has been proposed and/or tried. They proposed the sniper thing, the capture and relocate thing, the bowhunting only thing, the sterilization thing.....
The major problem, but by far not the only one, is Cayugadeer.org. The organization is run (or at least funded) by Mrs. Parks, who made her fortune via Park Outdoors, a billboard company. She lives there and is among the more radical of the radicals.
They oppose every effort, except the ineffective ones like sterilization. Bowhunting, it seems, is especially dangerous to peoples pets, and children even.
Frankly, the area is 1.8 square miles, according to wikipedia. I doubt it's big enough that anybody on the state level could give half a rodents rear-end. Nobody goes there except those who live there and it doesn't really cause problems for anybody but them so, in the end, who cares?
Well, except those hunters among us who see the 175-inch class, 8 1/2 year old, 14 point standing there on the side of the road. We care.
The major problem, but by far not the only one, is Cayugadeer.org. The organization is run (or at least funded) by Mrs. Parks, who made her fortune via Park Outdoors, a billboard company. She lives there and is among the more radical of the radicals.
They oppose every effort, except the ineffective ones like sterilization. Bowhunting, it seems, is especially dangerous to peoples pets, and children even.
Frankly, the area is 1.8 square miles, according to wikipedia. I doubt it's big enough that anybody on the state level could give half a rodents rear-end. Nobody goes there except those who live there and it doesn't really cause problems for anybody but them so, in the end, who cares?
Well, except those hunters among us who see the 175-inch class, 8 1/2 year old, 14 point standing there on the side of the road. We care.
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Maybe there is money to be made in building "brush guards" for BMWs and Mercedes.....
Those big heavy duty ones that I have never seen outside of Texas....
Those big heavy duty ones that I have never seen outside of Texas....YARDDOG(1)
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"[Well, except those hunters among us who see the 175-inch class, 8 1/2 year old, 14 point standing there on the side of the road. We care.]"
That would be SWEET
Y/D
That would be SWEET
Y/D
Several towns over from me the Town of Amherst NY (suburb of Buffalo) is experimenting with nuisance permits for residents after going through all the crap that it sounds like you are going through right now. I don't have any specific info on it, but maybe if you did some research on what they are doing it will help.
Many of the locals by me are blaming the auto insurance companies for introducing cyotes to control the deer population. Now they come strolling through my yard like they own it and my kids are afraid to play in the woods, which sucks because that was such a big part of my childhood. If I finally kill a couple this year I'll post pictures, they are not like some of the smaller varieties I've seen pictures of, they are closer in size to a small German Sheppard.
Many of the locals by me are blaming the auto insurance companies for introducing cyotes to control the deer population. Now they come strolling through my yard like they own it and my kids are afraid to play in the woods, which sucks because that was such a big part of my childhood. If I finally kill a couple this year I'll post pictures, they are not like some of the smaller varieties I've seen pictures of, they are closer in size to a small German Sheppard.
Where I grew up in central New Jerkistan it was once a great place to hunt..some nice sized and plentiful bucks. But along came a wave of city dwelling types and realestate went through the roof. Houses and developements left and right. And wit these city dwellers came their ideas of living, and their crime too.
It was not long before many of the big farms and woods were gone and when there were still great places to hunt and these city types had a cow seeing hunters they played politics and next thing you know 'no firearm discharge zones' were created...created with the intent to stop hunting and any recreational shooting on private property. The deer overpopulated , got smaller , caused considerably more auto accidents. And these same liberals next complained about those same starving deer hammering their precious beautiful gardens and mini farm plots. On top of all the licenses and hassle with firearm hunting in new jerkistan...they got what they deserved. God you could go to assapink or stokes forrest and see nothing but a sea of orange through the woods...buckshot flying willy nilly. Have to continually escort those bennies off the private farm we hunted.
Where I used to hunt in NW PA the locals called all those high tech low brow hunters they encountered "pittsburghers"... and they did not mean it in a nice way. Since my family hunted there for some decades they always treated us good and referred to us as "flatlanders" and meant it affectionately. I miss weedville , St.Mary's , Berndale. They were some nice rustic places wit great locals..even Dent's Run...though the deer there were small and few and far between. Have'nt been there in almost a decade since dad passed.
Anyhow it really chaff's ones' arse to see how hunting is being jacked around by all those liberal doo gooders.... bethca they can't live without their fast food burgers and the like !.
It was not long before many of the big farms and woods were gone and when there were still great places to hunt and these city types had a cow seeing hunters they played politics and next thing you know 'no firearm discharge zones' were created...created with the intent to stop hunting and any recreational shooting on private property. The deer overpopulated , got smaller , caused considerably more auto accidents. And these same liberals next complained about those same starving deer hammering their precious beautiful gardens and mini farm plots. On top of all the licenses and hassle with firearm hunting in new jerkistan...they got what they deserved. God you could go to assapink or stokes forrest and see nothing but a sea of orange through the woods...buckshot flying willy nilly. Have to continually escort those bennies off the private farm we hunted.
Where I used to hunt in NW PA the locals called all those high tech low brow hunters they encountered "pittsburghers"... and they did not mean it in a nice way. Since my family hunted there for some decades they always treated us good and referred to us as "flatlanders" and meant it affectionately. I miss weedville , St.Mary's , Berndale. They were some nice rustic places wit great locals..even Dent's Run...though the deer there were small and few and far between. Have'nt been there in almost a decade since dad passed.
Anyhow it really chaff's ones' arse to see how hunting is being jacked around by all those liberal doo gooders.... bethca they can't live without their fast food burgers and the like !.