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Deer hot spots targeted for more 'harvesting' http://www.gazette.net/200027/montgomerycty/county/17575-1.html
by Steven T. Dennis
Staff Writer

July 5, 2000

Animal rights groups trying
to avoid killing

They aren't plagues from the Bible, but what they leave behind reads as if
they are.

Ravaged crops and decimated gardens. Thousands of traffic accidents.
Spreading disease. Destruction of plant and tree species.

The problem? In a word, deer.

Montgomery County's deer management work group, formed five years
ago, has a simple but controversial solution: Kill more deer. A lot more.

The work group has targeted 13 "hot spots" of deer overpopulation
throughout the county. In 12 of those spots, it has called for killing more
deer -- either by hunters or police sharpshooters. Only the Wheaton area
is exempt.

Of course, "kill" is not the word used. Rather, more palatable terms
substitute, such as "harvest," "deer management practices" and "lethal
methods."

But the fuzzy semantics have not stopped a continued outcry from animal rights activists who oppose what they call the
"murder" of thousands of innocent deer for the convenience of humans.

"It really is doomsday for the deer," said Susan Rich, president of the Animal Protection Alliance of Montgomery County.

The two sides of the deer issue came together for a public information meeting on this year's deer management plan last week
in Germantown.

County parks officials said deer problems have continued to worsen despite more intense deer management programs in the
past several years.

More car collisions, more crop damage and more damage to forests are being reported.

The number of deer-car encounters continues to rise, reaching 1,891 in 1999, up from 1,774 in 1998, according to the county.
Last year 11 people were injured in those accidents, down from 19 last year but still more than the seven in 1997.

Police blame some of the increase on traffic growth in upcounty areas. The Germantown police district represented about half
of the increased accidents, but all areas of the county saw increases.

Parks officials say some measures are working. Despite the overall increase in traffic accidents, collisions near parks that have
had managed hunts are dropping, they said.

Roads near Seneca Creek State Park in western Montgomery, for example, saw accidents drop from 101 in 1996 to 20 last
year after hunters thinned out the herd. Outside Little Bennett Regional Park north of Clarksburg, accidents dropped from 43
in 1996 to 11 last year.

Other measures, such as more reflectors and fencing intended to keep deer off the roads, have had mixed results.

But there are still far too many deer, managers said. Some areas have as many as 170 deer per square mile, compared to a
recommended figure of 30 or fewer.

Agriculture suffering

Deer damage costs farmers an estimated $1.55 million a year in Montgomery County and $38 million across the state. Some
of them are abandoning fields, including the farmer who was leasing land at the Agricultural History Farm Park, because deer
are destroying crops.

Robert Butz of the Soil Conservation District said his upcounty farm has seen up to half of its crops destroyed by deer.

"We cannot afford to keep feeding the county's unmanaged, growing deer population," he said.

If the situation does not improve, he predicted, more farmers will put houses in place of fields.

Hal Baker, a farmer and member of the county's Agricultural Advisory Committee, brought three mutilated trees from his
nursery to the June 28 meeting. His exotic trees and plants can sell for up to $600 each but are frequently ruined by
marauding deer.

The problems have continued despite increased hunting in the county. The deer harvest has risen from 2,306 in 1995 to 3,609
last year, largely as a result of higher state bag limits on antlerless deer.

Police killed another 228 deer last year -- most after traffic accidents.

Ecological imbalance

Joseph Howard, representing the Montgomery County Forestry Board, said the county's forests are facing "subtle
destruction."

Older trees are fine, but smaller trees do not have a chance, he said. Low-lying brush and saplings, which provide food for
small animals and replenish tree stock over time, are fast disappearing from the forests. Even if the deer were eliminated, it
would take up to 15 years for the forest to recover, he said.

"Sadly, the condition only seems to get worse," he said.

Howard said the destruction is also creating ideal conditions for exotic and invasive species and leading to a loss of native
plants and diversity.

"Our forests of the future may be determined by what deer like to eat," he said.

Nonlethal controls

Edward Milenky of Rockville's Manor Lake Civic Association said his association has seen an outbreak of Lyme disease and
traffic accidents. He urged the task force to approve killing more deer.

"These animals are going to die anyway, either from disease, overpopulation or on the road," he said.

But Rich, who in the past has thrown bloody deer parts at her opponents to make her points, said only nonlethal methods
should be used to control the deer population.

"Contraception is the only long-term solution," she said.

Most traffic accidents could be prevented if vehicle traffic were diverted from areas near deer habitats during mating season,
she said.

More under- and overpasses should be built for deer, she added, and homeowners concerned about deer chomping their
pansies should use only plants that deer do not like to eat.

Rich noted that one area slated for deer reduction is Rachel Carson Conservation Park near Brookeville, named for the famous
environmentalist.

"She must be turning over in her grave, knowing that a park with her name is going to be the site of a bloodbath."

Birth control for deer?

Contraception is used at only one site in the county -- the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Gaithersburg,
where the deer population has dropped by 30 percent since the program was instituted three years ago.

But expansion of that program to other areas of the county is on hold for now because of both cost and feasibility. Deer must
get repeated injections to stay infertile, making programs outside of confined areas difficult.

Allen Rutberg of the Humane Society of the United States, which runs the contraception program at NIST, said Montgomery
County's deer management program is "as good as it gets" nationwide, even though deer will continue to be shot by the
thousands.

"The underlying problem is human use of the land," he said.

Until the county changes development practices, "we're basically just going to be wasting our time."
 
And from the other side of D.C., just across the Potomac from MD in Fairfax County, comes an article in today's Washington Post. 46k deer estimated in county. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-yn/articles/A54861-2000Jul6.html

County to Install More Reflectors to Deter Deer

By Peter Pae
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 6, 2000; Page V01

In an effort to reduce deer-related car crashes, Fairfax County officials plan to install more than 1,700 roadside reflectors this fall designed to deter the animals from crossing busy streets and highways at night.

The Deer Crash Abatement Program is the county's latest effort to alleviate problems stemming from a deer population that officials believe has more than doubled since 1997 to an estimated 46,000.

Fairfax consistently has the highest number of injuries suffered from deer-related crashes in the state. Last year, police tallied more than 1,000 such accidents, up more than 20 percent from 1997.

County wildlife biologist Earl Hodnett said encroaching development has reduced deer habitat, forcing animals to forage along roads, on golf courses and in gardens--where they have provoked increasing complaints from homeowners.

The debate intensified two years ago after a school librarian was killed when a deer jumped in front of her car during morning traffic on Old Dominion Drive in McLean. As a result, Fairfax reconsidered a 1993 ban on hunting and began using sharpshooters with high-powered rifles to cull herds at several parks.

But that decision incensed animal rights activists, who called the hunts inhumane and advocated other strategies for reducing the population and road incidents. Among them were the installation of roadside reflectors, eight-inch-high devices mounted along the side of a road to redirect a vehicle's headlight beam toward animals attempting to cross.

"From the deer's perspective, they would be looking across the street and the reflector on the opposite side will begin to glow as a car approaches," Hodnett said. "It would glow brighter as the car nears, and it would prevent the deer from crossing."

Fairfax officials began a pilot program in September on a 1 1/2-mile section of Telegraph Road in Franconia. Since then, no deer-related crashes have occurred there. In previous years, Telegraph Road between the Coast Guard Station and North Kings Highway had at least a dozen incidents annually.

But the results probably were skewed by a number of factors, officials said, including a major road construction project that may have kept deer from the area and an outbreak of a fatal insect-borne disease that cut their numbers.

"Deer crashes have been reduced significantly, but many factors may have played a part," according to a proposal to expand the pilot program. "Fairfax County would like to obtain more of these reflectors and compare the results of multiple locations."

Last week, Fairfax police received permission from county supervisors to seek a $60,000 grant from the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles to put an additional 1,760 reflectors in locations where large numbers of vehicles have collided with deer.

Among the areas under consideration are Lee Highway and Bull Run Post Office Road near Centreville, Lee Highway and Government Center Parkway just outside Fairfax City, Fairfax County Parkway and Popes Head Road near Fairfax Station, and Route 7 between Fairfax County Parkway and Utterback Store Road in Great Falls.

Strieter-lite, the company that makes the reflectors, recommends that they be installed about 10 yards apart on both sides of a street or highway. Headlights from passing vehicles strike the prism-shaped devices in sequence, and the reflected low-intensity light flashes across the road to approaching deer. Because the headlight is reflected at a 90-degree angle, drivers are not affected.

"It's still an experiment," Hodnett said. "We want to see how it works."

© 2000 The Washington Post Company
 
Let me see if I have this right.

If we were talking about human beings, most of these same people would assert that it is morally acceptable for a woman to abort her child in order to preserve a good quality of life for her other children.

High deer populations result in diseased animals which may starve to death, and which certainly suffer from a poor quality of life due to overcrowding and stressful conditions. But it would be 'immoral' to kill some deer in order to give a higher quality of life to the others.

Am I missing something here?

pax

"Inconsistency is the only thing in which men are consistent." -- Horatio Smith
 
Tongue slightly in cheek.

Why not trap those excess deer and have each Tree-Hugger/Animal Rights Airhead bring one home. They would be tagged so if the TH/ARA
lets the animal go after the cuteness wears off or someone comes down with tick fever, they would be heavily fined.

Let's see how many would be against hunting then.
 
I've heard that in parts of suburban NJ the deer can only get to German Shepherd size due to population pressures.

Ironically, there are probably more deer in the U.S. now than at any time in history due to the "suburbanization" and elimination of predatory species. We practically create ideal habitat for them when we create farms and suburbs.

The solution nobody wants to hear is culling. It's ugly business and even most hunters wouldn't be up for it, but it needs to happen in some areas.
 
Here in GA, the limit is up to EIGHT per season. The dang things have become rural/suburban large-economy-size *rats*.

I went to a friend's hunting lease last Saturday to send some rounds downrange and to look at some deer stands. Hot, 95 degree day, weather conditions in which you "normally" "should" rarely see deer moving around. Still saw two deer out wandering next to roads, and one dead by the side of the road.
 
In the upscale suburb of Town and Country in western St.Louis County,MO.it seems they had a bit more country then they wanted in the form of an exploding deer population.After much debate a plan was devised to trap and re-locate deer out of the county.Shooting the deer was,of course,out of the question.A professional firm was hired to net the deer after which a radio tracking collar was placed on the animals in order to study the survival rate of the relocated population.Predictably,the mortality rate was near 70%.Upon learning the fate of "their"deer the snooty recidents of T&C actually accused the Mo.Dept.of Conservation of releasing the location of the relocated deer to local hunters.I guess they wanted to have their cake and eat it too.

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~Gordon~
 
pax hit the nail on the head; the animal/tree huggers would rather see the deer die "naturally", of starvation and disease than to end up in your freezer or the kitchen of a homeless shelter. I really do believe groups like PETA are going to dig their own graves. The more hell they raise about stupid things like people on a deserted island eating rats the more they make themselves look like the lunatic fringe they are. Don't underestimate them for the time being however, they do have friends in popular places.
 
I love the part about "diverting traffic away from deer areas" and building more overpasses. Are they planning to teach the deer to stay only on the sidewalk that passes under the road overpass?

As far as diverting traffic, I'm sure that would go over real big with commuters sitting in a traffic jam and finding out the reason why they are sitting there.

These people need some serious medication.
 
pax, you're absolutely correct. You are indeed lacking the ability to strongly believe in two contradictory lines of thought at the same time. Me, too. :)

Contender, HSUS & PETA people ARE taking serious medication--if "better living through chemistry" is indeed the same as "medication". :)

Some 40 years ago, an article in Field & Stream magazine stated that the annual hunter kill of deer in Pennsylvania was around 40,000. Deaths from collision with automobiles exceeded that. "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

Ciao, Art

[This message has been edited by Art Eatman (edited July 06, 2000).]
 
pax:

You're right -- and stupidity is indeed universal.

Case in point:

Two large emus wandered onto the campus of an outer-suburban private school and set up "camp".

They were of a nasty disposition and quite dangerous to the kids.

The Principal contacted two Club members and set up a weekend date for them to be humanely shot -- after clearing it with the authorities.

Treehuggers on the school board heard about the plan and had it stopped -- on the spot. They decided instead to have an emu drive and trap the animals, then relocate them to a National Park not too far distant.

Great idea ... except ....

they stressed the poor bloody birds so much and for so long trying to get them into the traps, both emus died of heart attacks (information from a vet)

I hate cruelty to animals -- a bullet would have been much kinder.

B
 
Anyone visit the PETA website lately. They are now saying Jesus Christ was a vegetarian. What a crock. Animals are food. These PETA people need to be culled. Here on MD's eastern shore the deer are pretty thick. You can see one dead on the hiway almost daily. I think there should be several seasons for deer throughout the year.
 
It's simple... Deer are prey. Prey need predators to keep the population in check. Either prey are hunted by man, or we need to bring back the wolf packs, bobcats, and mountain lions that kept the critters in check to begin with. I don't know about you , but I'd rather see a hunter in the fields than a pack of wolves who would soon figure out that a cow is much easier to catch than a deer.
Eric

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Teach a kid to shoot.
It annoys the antis.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Deer slaughter unjust

January 5, 2000

Although I do not agree with the ethics of the deer hunts, I can praise the safety
measures that have been taken for the hunters and that there are some restrictions
(Dec. 8). It is also very praiseworthy that some of the meat is going to feed the hungry.
I cannot, however, conceive that these hunts are peaceful; the ideas of peace and
random murder do not agree in my mind. I find it unfair to kill deer, in a controlled hunt
or otherwise; it is not only cruel and inhumane, but also unnecessary.

I understand that there is a large population of deer and some think that it should be
decreased because deer eat gardens and get hit by cars. But I do not think those
reasons are justification for death. The deer have as much right to be here as people
do, or any other species for that matter.

Consider a reversed situation: The deer decide that we are overpopulated and ruining
their crops and homes, so they are going to kill about 150 of us in hunts. Now, does
that scenario seem humane? In fact, people are overpopulated and some are
suffering as a result, but are not killed for it. In addition, we are ruining the homes and
crops of almost all animals, but are we put to death for it? It is not fair to kill the deer
for what they do to us; we do the same to them but do not suffer the same
consequences.

Deer are among the most peaceful creatures on earth and have done nothing to
deserve what we are doing to them. Humans have forced deer into the situation that
they are in now, and they are being killed for it. Not only is that unfair, it is disgusting. I
hope that people can take a real look at what is happening to these innocent deer and
realize that it is obscene. The killing of random deer for something that they intend no
harm by and cannot control is appalling and unjust.

Rebecca Oremland, Rockville[/quote]
 
Uhh, I just read that letter. I guess if we just knocked down all the trees and paved all the fields, no more deer problem.

"eat gardens & get hit by cars" - she left off motorcycles. Ask Liam Neeson if the deer population needs controlling. And we're talking about people who earn their livings off of those "gardens". I noticed she is just opposed to the idea of hunting - she never proposed a solution to the problems.

What does whether something is "peaceful" or not do with it having a right to life? Is a wolf less entitled than a deer because it has to kill to survive? I don't understand the logic.

And yes, people do starve when they overpopulate. It happens. Me, I'd prefer a bullet.

And I think some people forget the fact that we are, and have been for some time, the top predator on the planet. We are all born predators - we have far more in common with the mountain lion than the deer.
 
"Deer are among the most peaceful creatures on earth and have done nothing to
deserve what we are doing to them."


I guess she has never seen them during rutting season.


If she slammed into one on a dark road one night and put her head through the windshield of her precious SUV she would be calling a different tune instead of her idiotic diatribe she wrote.
 
Oh the poor deer!!!!! Oh no!!! Run, tell Klinton, quickly, so he can use it as another platform to appeal to irrational soccer moms.

They are killing them because their populations are out of control, and unlike humans they completely lack the infrastructure to support high populations. Also, we could feed them, but that would only increase their populations as they practice no birth control. To top that off they kill the very crops we would have to use to feed them, which would raise our price of food, thus starving more humans. We could make attempts to spey and neuter deer, but their populations makes this logistically impossible. In conclusion, their lack of the ability to control their own populations, to adjust to ours, and to control their own food supply situations, means they must be killed in reasonable numbers. The fact alone that we use the meat to feed homeless people makes it worthwhile, because at least with the homeless/poor people we have some chance of convincing them to use some degree of birth control, we have no such chance with deer.

These PETA people are out of their minds. It baffles me that anyone listens to them at all. The idea of making them each take home a deer is indeed a good one, they would see first-hand how impossible it would be.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth
 
The PETAs conveniently forget that the increased deer population resulted from man's elimination of predators.

As mentioned, deers carry fleas and ticks which, in turn, carry many diseases which can spread to kiddies who play in their yards.

We need to kill off some deer. Do it "for the children". ;)
 
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