Deer Baiting

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The AZGFD just told me that " baiting" i.e. feeders/artificial water, was no longer going to be legal. I thought it was kinda stupid, but just sighed took, a few minutes to compose myself, and figured I'd just have to find a way to get it done anyway. I then phoned a couple of good buddies and was surprised at what I heard. Split basically down the middle, two were fairly upset like myself, and three were happy. They seemed to regard it as "cheating". I personally figured why not take advantage of any way you can to harvest. Are calls then "cheating?"
It seems if I was back in MO or northern AZ "spot and stalk" would be a little easier than in a place with sand dunes and the almost no vegetation. On the other hand the terrain offers a lot of agriculture and canals, so a permanent spot to set a pattern of feeding/watering would be great. My buddies did not want to hear this argument at all. In fact it was much more of a hot topic for them than for me. I was just wondering what people's opinions are. I am, as always, not under the illusion my opinion is the "right" one. Would love to hear some people weigh in.

I should also add, due to availability of draw process, this year I am hunting bow only. So a feeder would help a lot.
 
Work on your bow-hunting skills...

Yes, sir... that's the general idea. I shoot several hours a day. No coach, nobody to help me or give me advice. Just a humble young guy on a website full of older, and wiser peers looking for some advice and maybe conversation. Sorry if I offended you.
 
I am not a huge fan of hunting over bait, but that is just my personal opinion. I don't call it cheating, or hunters that might do it cheaters, I just don't like it. It is not an issue for me because it is illegal here.

That being said if the population of the hunted animal is too high and the harvest is not high enough I understand why baiting might be allowed. Otherwise I don't get it. I would not do it either way.
 
If baiting deer is illegal, then it's cheating. If baiting is legal, then it's not. The rules are the rules and they should be followed. Choosing not to hunt over bait, even though it is allowed ... that's good admirable hunting ethics. :)
 
Didn't know all that

I see a lot of people are opposed to it. I wasn't even mildly aware of that. My hunting experience for anything other than coyotes is very limited. I didn't grow up with a father or relatives that hunt much. I just watch these hunting shows on sportsman and it seems like common practice to have a food plot at least. So in most peoples opinion it's not a good thing to practice? That's good to know. I'd like to become the best hunter I can.
 
I see a lot of people are opposed to it. I wasn't even mildly aware of that. My hunting experience for anything other than coyotes is very limited. I didn't grow up with a father or relatives that hunt much. I just watch these hunting shows on sportsman and it seems like common practice to have a food plot at least. So in most peoples opinion it's not a good thing to practice? That's good to know. I'd like to become the best hunter I can.
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You're not a hunter, you're a shooter. Big difference. Like shooting animals in high fence areas where they eat out of your hand. I wouldn't even get on here and tell people I enjoyed baiting and shooting. Change your name to HunrgyShooter.
 
A hotly contested topic and I see this thread being locked. My personal feelings are that I want no part of hunting over bait. I wouldn't enjoy it. To me you are not hunting, only grocery shopping.

But I realize it is legal in many places and I won't look down on those who participate where it is legal. There are many ways to hunt, many different traditions in this large country.
 
NoSecondBest, thanks for the advice. I'm now ( as a novice hunter) so much better for your advice and words of wisdom. Thank you for welcoming me to the sport and helping out a younger, inexperienced guy, who plainly stated he's here to learn. You are a fine contributor to society and hunting. Next time I'll be born in the woods into a hunting family. Totally messed up there the first time... I'll stop asking questions for fear of being berated. Thank you again for your time and effective leadership style.
 
I don't consider food plots and baiting to be the same thing. I have food plots and I will hunt over them. But, those plots support the deer/turkey/etc population year round, not just for a couple of days when I dump corn in a pile to attract them (if it is not clear, I do not dump corn). I planted apple trees, I have no issue hunting the "path" I know the deer use to get to the trees. I put out mineral licks and other assorted things offseason, but will not hunt over them.

It is a line everyone has to draw for themselves and I know it does not always make sense. If it is something that is there year round to support the animal population I don't mind hunting over it, if it is something I put out just to draw the animal in that one day I am hunting and it is not there year round then I will not hunt over it.
 
Develope and trust your skills

I'd like to become the best hunter I can.
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Then keep working on your hunting skills and nurturing a positive code of ethics. My satifaction comes in knowing that I, as a grey hair, part-time hunter, can still take a full-time dear. In part, I learned some of my hunting skills while standing on my stand, watching icicles form on my mustache, in Wisconsin. Between then and now, I made many mistakes and learned why it's called hunting and not killing. ..... ;)

Forget the bait, learn to read signs and you will get plenty of opertunity to kill/harvest deer. ... ;)

Don't be afraid to fail and;
Be Safe !!!
 
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I don't particularly care to hunt over bait. Not because of the bait, so much as I just don't like sitting in a stand. I've always been either a cross-country walking hunter in open country, or a sneaky-snake sort of still hunter in the more jungley sort of country.

How other folks hunt is none of my business. As long as they follow the law. I really don't have an opinion. It's not important enough to worry about.

And I really won't fault the guy whose job keeps him from having the leisure time to "do it right". If hunting from a stand over a feeder gives him a bit of a chance at a successful outdoor deal, more power to him.

But I have seen areas where the vegetation is such that you either sit in a stand or take up a new line of work and forget about hunting Bambi. The mesquite/cactus/catclaw thickets in south Texas work just fine as habitat for deer, hogs, cougars, coyotes and other critters. But no way are you going through that stuff and come out of it with any clothes on. :)
 
Thanks Pahoo, I will. I don't think of it as an end all be all. Thanks for your advice. That's why I came to this site,.and love it so much even as a FNG. I need advice, mentorship and peers. Which out in the middle of BFE AZ, are kind of in short supply.
 
Even with baiting there is no guarntee of getting something to come in on it,it does make it easier however, on our property we have gone to food plots 10 of them and making the animals big and healthy still no guarntee of getting anything but does make it easier for the animals to get through the winters.
 
Don't worry you won't go to hell for having committed a mortal sin. (baiting). In many areas baiting for a particular critter whether it be deer, bear or turkeys is a tradition, many places it is not. I don't have a problem with baiting if its legal or even running deer with dogs in those places it legal. Unfortunately for you it is now illegal where you hunt so its not an option. Hunting without bait will give you the opportunity to spend more time in the field observing how the deer act and react. Where they like to be when not eating at a feeder. You will get to spend more time on the ground stalking (lots more fun in my opinion) but you will also see and likely spook many deer. Deer are great teachers if you are willing to learn from them, and you sound very willing to learn. They will teach you to walk quietly, watch where you put your feet, how to break up your outline and to know where the wind is at all times. They will teach you the places they like to hide during the day and what paths they take. When you take a deer in this way you may still be learning (aren't we all) but you are well on your way to being a hunter and woodsman. Enjoy the sport and don't keep score by how many deer you kill, keep score by the memories that stand out. Things like the big buck that didn't quite step out from behind the cedar at 20 yards before turning and walking away will keep you going out year after year.
 
Would love to hear some people weigh in.
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HungryHunter,
I've done both methods and I prefer the glass/find/track/stalk/shoot method. I see nothing wrong with baiting if it is legal in your area. Since the hunting regulations changed in your area, here's a chance for you to learn something new and maybe you'll find the same enjoyment as some of us do. There are many aspects to hunting besides the kill.

For all who says baiting is cheating, please explain your hunting method to include equipment. Unless you're dressed like a caveman and hunt with primitive weapons, please don't shun other hunters and their legal methods.
 
Hunting over bait is illegal in the northern zone of Georgia. I am glad it is illegal because I personally do not want to spend $2000 per year on corn to keep my deer from leaving my land for my neighbors feeders. Hunting over bait has short term gains, but it is long term counterproductive. I like food plots, but am no fan of bait.
 
What is cheating ???

For all who says baiting is cheating, please explain your hunting method to include equipment. Unless you're dressed like a caveman and hunt with primitive weapons, please don't shun other hunters and their legal methods.
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This is where "your" personal hunting code comes in. We all have one with much in common but no two are the same. One element that shoudl be common, is to obey the states hunting laws, not just some but all, like it or not. The only time we cheat, is when we ignore the laws and our own code. .. ;)

I can easily shoot squirrels in my woods, during the season but my Mother-in-Law can't understand why I won't shoot them in their yard. I can walk up on one and shoot it but hate it when I run over one, with my car. Go figure ?? :eek:

Hunt and;
Be Safe !!!
 
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