Decision point. Which state to live in? CO, UT, WA, NH

Appreciate all of the replies and insight into my options, and some others.

I had forgotten about the no state income tax thing in WA, thanks for reminding me. That is huge. Sales tax being roughly 10% here and in Colorado, that's a wash.

Keeping this gun related, I don't see needing to do anything class 3 in the future, but it's a sign of a pro-gun state.

And I found the CCW permit simple and affordable to get, much easier than Colorado when I lived there.
 
Of the states you mentioned, if I had your background and desires, I'd pick Colorado.

Colorado is reasonably gun friendly and has great outdoors opportunities.

Colorado Springs is in a beautiful area and you would have Fort Carson to practice near. Fort Carson was one of my favorite places to be stationed - albeit it wasn't because of the post itself.

I wouldn't choose NH if it's because of a woman. You are going to resent her being tied there and, sooner or later, resent her. Find another one. There ain't no shortage.
 
The WA sales tax is approx 8% (8.3, I think), not 10%. Property prices in the metro west side are high, just like any large metro area. Live out in the country and its much more reasonable.

There is (currently) no income tax.

With the exception of aligators and other tropical type animals, if its huntable in the US (outside of Alaska), you can probably find it in WA. Got mountains, and deserts, deep sea fishing and snowboarding. Whitewater and hiking. Other than bayou warmth, if you can do it in the outdoors, you can do it somewhere in WA.
 
NE

In the northeast only PA and VT are gun friendly. Stay away from the rest.

WA trumps the western states mentioned, except AZ is fine if you are willing to sacrifice anything like a temperate climate and don't mind a state overrun with illegals.
 
44AMP, when I lived in Seattle, between the State sales tax and the county and city (or just county, not sure) taxes, the net sales tax was around 9%, if not over. This was in the 2000-2001 timeframe.

I just looked it up, and as of Feb 2012, Seattle sales tax was 9.5%.

Link:

http://www.yelp.com/topic/seattle-sales-tax-rate

Another link, for the rest of the state's area sales and other taxes:

dor.wa.gov/
 
Massachusetts isn't as bad as some people think. . .IF. . .you happen to live in a town where the chief of police is pro gun. Some towns give them out left and right, others not a chance. I don't believe Massachusetts has reciprocity with NH, Maine, or VT so if you visit Boston plan on leaving your firearm at home.

That being said, just because MA isn't as bad as some people think don't get the idea that we are firearm friendly. If gun laws are a major factor for moving into the region then you probably don't want to come here.

I agree with Shafter's comments here. I've had a Massachusetts class A concealed carry license for some years - no problem getting or renewing it. I also have a non-resident NH license. As others have noted, Vermont requires no permit for concealed carry, so I can carry over much of northern New England without any legal hassles. Although I believe Massachusetts is a "shall issue" state, my sense is that there may be a fairly dramatic difference between the ways in which the permitting process is handled in western Mass. (where I live) as opposed to eastern Mass. and especially the Boston area which has a reputation as being particularly gun-hostile.
 
Having grown up in MA and still have relatives there, the last description I got was that you needed to get the local sheriff to authorize you to own a gun. It gad to be done in writing. Basically you are telling the sheriff why you should be able to own a gun and they are agreeing with your premise. Once they signed off in the paperwork you then had to take the safety class which then would allow you to purchase a firearm. This was right outside of Boston so it might be different in western mass. I think you can buy a rifle without a letter from your mother though.
 
Both those descriptions of gun licensing in Massachusetts are not quite right. I lived there most of my life and had a Class A LTC for most of that time before retiring to gun friendly New Hampshire. Mass is most definitely not a "shall issue" state - the licensing authority, which is the local Chief of Police, has near-total discretion over whether you will be granted an LTC, and which type. (FWIW, "sheriffs" in Massachusetts are county officials who, I believe, only have authority for running prisons and/or transporting prisoners or some such, and of course sucking up tax revenues. They have nothing to do with gun licensing). Some municipalities (not many, thankfully) simply refuse to issue anything at all, others will issue only Class B (restricted to less than 10-round mags, and no CC), and some will issue the coveted Class A but often only after you jump through some hoops. Yes, there is a state-level appellate procedure if your Chief chooses not to issue you a permit, but good luck with that. The only "shall issue" license in Massachusetts is for long guns.

One standard procedure is for a Chief to issue only Class B for your first permit, upgrading to Class A when it's up for renewal in 6 years (licensing fee is $100 each time, BTW). Either way, it's now a state requirement for first-time applicants to take a certified training course and some Chiefs will also require live-fire proficiency testing - not anything that anyone who tunes in here regularly will have a problem with, but it's one more hassle and it takes time. The Chief also has discretionary authority to place additional restrictions on your Class A LTC, such as restricting the hours between which you may carry - most don't do that, thankfully, but they do have that authority. The best thing you can do is to research the situation in the town(s) you're looking to move into and be sure which side of the fence the Chief is on (and then hope the next Chief doesn't have some different policy).

Assuming your Chief is gun-friendly, or at least gun-tolerant, I think a larger issue is the so-called "consumer protection" laws in Mass that essentially prohibit the sale of many handguns. If a manufacturer wants to sell a particular model in Mass, they have to submit 5 of them for destructive testing by the state, and the guns have to pass certain requirements including very heavy trigger pulls, loaded-chamber indicators, etc. Some manufacturers actually make special Massachusetts versions of their guns that will pass the tests, others - Colt, for example - just refuse to knuckle under and that's why you won't find any new Colt handguns for sale in the state. To make matters worse, there's an official "list" but a gun simply being on the list doesn't mean it can be legally sold - there's an additional vague list of requirements that the Attorney General refuses to indicate which guns satisfy, and many retailers live in fear of being prosecuted because of it, so refuse to sell particular models. And, of course, it goes without saying that guns that are no longer manufactured will never be on the list.

And of course, Mass still has the AWB, so for example the only new M4s for sale have pinned stocks, no bayonet lug, etc. (so called "M4gerys"), and only pre-AWB mags larger than 10 rounds can be sold, usually at a premium, or even legally possessed. So forget about that nice new double-stack 13-round 9mm pistol - it'll come with a 10 round "cripple" mag. You might find a used one that's been in the state since 1994, and those mags can legally exceed the 10-round limit, but not new mags. And forget about mail-ordering ammo or even reloading components - even though it's not illegal in Mass, the Attorney General has made it clear to the big mail-order houses that he (it was originally a "he", now a "she") will prosecute anyway and it's not worth their while to defend a lawsuit for the profit they make selling into Mass, so they don't. You can't even have the stuff sent to a friend in NH or VT - they won't sell to you if your credit card billing address is in Mass. And, don't forget, it's illegal to possess ammunition in Mass without a permit, and reloading components are defined as ammunition, so if your kid happens to have a spent piece of brass in his pocket, or you happen to drop a piece or two of brass under the seat of your car and your (unlicensed) wife then goes for a drive, they've both committed felonies.

Yes, there are ways around all this. Most of the serious gun hobbyists in the state cultivate a few FFLs who'll bring in and sell guns that aren't on the "list." And most of us were able to identify a few mail-order houses who either didn't know or didn't care about the AG's threats. But why go through all that hassle if you don't have to? If you already live there, or absolutely need to live there for whatever reason, that's one thing - but I can't imagine any serious gun enthusiast who would choose to move into Mass if they didn't have to.
 
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WA State sales tax varies by county King county is 9.5 or 9.8 but in other counties its lower probably due to the amount of people living in each. The elitist snob anti gun people mostly live in Seattle and its suburbs. I live out near Issaquah and its a very pro gun loving area. Right up the road is the finest gun range in the state West Coast Armory in Bellevue. So basically anything east of the 405 is less tree hugger. From my apartment its about a 30 minute drive to the hood known as Tacoma, some will disagree about that but more gang activity and shooting happen down there then most of the state.

Pluses for WA, it rains. Our climate is changing every year and our rainfall is only supposed to be about 6 months this year instead of 9 months. With all that rain we have less chances of forest fires.
No massive snowstorms
No hurricanes
No major earthquakes
We are no longer the suicide capital, were just worked to death. ;)

Minuses to me at least, an Indian smokeshop on every spare piece of land or a casino.
High divorce rate [just had it happen to me] :(
Traffic is Seattle becoming like Los Angeles
 
Traffic in Seattle was bad in 2001.

Part of the problem is bizarre road planning. Unless things have changed, when northbound on I-5, there is only one lane of the five that goes all the way through town without forcing a lane change or an exit. (This doesn't include the lanes reserved for multiple occupancy vehicles.)

In traffic that is heavy to begin with, frequently required lane changes just make things worse.

The 520 floating bridge was a nightmare at rush hour. Made the mistake of riding it on my Harley a few times, and about wore out my clutch hand. I understand there have been some engineering analyses questioning the integrity of the concrete on the floats for the 520 replacement bridge, so that should make things interesting for some time to come.

The other part of the problem, IMO, is limited amount of land available to expand the interstate and major roads.

I used to prefer driving N-S on Hwy 9, and avoiding Seattle entirely, unless my plans involved actually going to Seattle. (Don't get me wrong, Seattle is a great place to visit and do things, but it's often miserable to transit.)

All that said, if I could afford the land I require, and if my wife's family weren't mostly centrally located in NW MO, I'd do my best to convince the wife to move up that way.
 
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