Deciding on a .308

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Jason6

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Hello.. I am currently trying to decide on a .308.. I have been researching and reading reviews on a number of different rifles in my price range for few weeks now.. I think finally narrowed it down to 2 rifles that really like from what have seen/heard of course.. I not owned/shot them so that's reason for this post..

The 2 rifles that trying decide between are the T/C Venture Predator and the Mossberg MVP Patrol..

If have or have owned either or both these rifles.. I'd love to hear your experiences/opinions on them..

Thanks :)
 
I am impressed with the looks of the mossberg mvp, all that fluting screams "high end and expensive" but it seems not to be either upon further investigation, which is not terrible, its affordable but after playing with it a little, I think you are getting about what you pay for...

I honestly would step up to a remington 700

Are you open to more recommendations? if so http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=455575839 would be my pick for under $450....
 
The rem 700 was one I looked into originally.. however after hearing countless people complain about how the stocks on them are junk.. I didn't care to spend $600-$700 on a rifle and then have to spend money on a new stock and then money on a optic..

I actually owned a Savage model 10 in .308 in past and sold it.. I was not happy with it.. Not to say they not good rifles.. I own a few rimfire Savages and love them but the .308 I had was not impressed with.. So have decided probably going to stay away from Savage and try something different this time..
 
What is the intentions and expected group size or the rifle.... do you want a hunting rifle, or a target rifle?

If you didn't care for your Savage 10, you won't care for the Mossberg or TC either.

Remington stocks are not the BEST, but they are not the WORST either, and they are generally some of the nicer "production" gun stocks.

The real question remains for what you are wanting to do with the rifle. Kill game animals? All four mentioned would be fine for that.... Be a competitive tack driver on the range... I can pretty much say none of those will do it depending on what degree of percision you require / can harnass.
 
NOT all the stocks are junk, lol, what remington does is offer some cheaper guns with cheaper stocks because everyone changes them, they make a lot of models with really nice stocks, some from HS precision as a matter of fact, with bolt guns you get what you pay for and depending on what you are using it for, some guys dont want a big money stock to get beat up in the woods and pack of their side by side...

Savage gies you a nice smooth, accurate, well triggered and built package for short money, remington {keep in mind this is my opinion and everyone has them} with the remington 700 there is tons of stuff available, parts support all smiths know them in and out easy to work on and easy to improve... And they work, some people have problems sure, BUT keep in mind there are A LOT more 700's out there than any other bolt gun.... BY FAR!!!!

What are you doing with this gun? Hunting plinking, hunting and plinking?
 
I apologize, should've put that in first post.. I doubt be shooting past 100 yards as range member of currently only goes to 100 yards.. It's main use be target shooting as of now.. If it do 1 MOA at 100 yards I'm happy.. I know the T/C Venture looking at gurantees that..
 
Thank you for stating your intended purpose and accuracy demands.

Really 1 MOA at 100 yards should be achievable by any of the 4 listed, and many others.

Todays age of off the shelf guns with even factory ammo are generally capable of that as long as the shooter is, some minor tweeking may be required.

Out of the four, I will say Savage and Remington will have the two best track records, and they will also have the most aftermarket options for upgrades down the road if you chose.

I am sorry you weren't happy with your Savage 10 but it sounds like it would be perfect for what you wanted. Out of the box they are pretty accurate, affordable, and you can slap on a different stock easily (Bell & Carlson M40 stock comes to mind) not to mention change the trigger, and if you really wanted to, the barrels can be changed on a savage action with out the need of a gun smith due to their barrel nut design.

My other vote would be for a Remington SPS Varmint or SPS Tactical or similar for your needs.
 
Thank you for the replies, The SPS tactical is the main Rem 700 that I have looked at because in my current price range.. Though all the reviews have read and opinions have read say the hogue stock is awful and needs to be changed.. I just don't want get into having to spend money on stocks, optics, etc.. I have done that with enough other guns before haha.. I am looking for something out of box that do what I need..

I see some many different Rem 700's and could definitely look into one of them.. I just don't know which ones to really look at?. I see Dicks this week has a SPS camo on sale.. that a good one to look into?.
 
The plastic stocks on the Remington is no better or worse than any other budget rifle stock. And the truth is they all shoot better than 99% of the guys pulling the trigger. Don't let that influence you either way.

Of the 2 you're considering I like the TC much better. The Ruger American Predator has been getting great reviews. I have one of the compacts in 223. Pretty darn accurate for a $350 rifle
 
I really want to see you buy what is going to make you happy, so let me start over...
First- I honestly would be looking for 223/556 for 100yard shooting, way more fun to shoot, very accurate when loaded properly, easier to shoot, affordable to shoot, and abundant in supply...

Next Heavy barrel, if you are not carrying it around the woods, and will be pushing a bunch of ammo down the tube at once, you want H-bar...

That being said, IMO the most accurate guns out of the box I have ever shot are the remington 5r rifled model 700's, it is literally a gun that shoots great out of the box but can make you look like a pro marksman if you add a jewel trigger and get the stock to fit you correctly, which normally only means the addition of a cheek piece like the karsten models for $50...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=456086568 I own this gun, my 15 year old son shoots 200 yards with it right around 1.2moa, its his first rifle. For xmass he is getting a jewel trigger and harris bi pod..
 
You do make a good point on the .223 over the .308.. I have a AR already so was planning get something different but .308 is not cheap.. It be nice have bolt action in same caliber.. I will have to look into it more and think about it..

Thanks for input/info:)
 
If you have an ar that makes even more sense to get a 223 bolt gun!!! If you were hunting longish range and trying to shoot 700 yards that is different... I can shoot my sons gun 300 yards easily and have a nice group in 223.. Don't rush into anything, you are doing the right thing by considering all the options...
 
I agree with the .223, much cheaper, and more fun to shoot.

The SPS Tactical with the Hogue stock will be more accurate than most people pulling the trigger. Guys like to gripe about it, but really, specially for the range you intend to shoot, the human error will be much bigger than the issues with the stock.

I wouldn't let it ruin it for you, its actually not a bad stock, theres some flex to it in the forearm, but if you properly rest the rifle in bags, its a non issue. I do not own one, I have owned lots of 700's but I have shot enough of the SPS's to know they are shooters.

Grab one in a .223 or a Savage 10 Percision Carbine in .223 and focus on getting a decent scope, and some decent ammo.
 
Consider a Howa. Flat bottom action, integrated recoil lug. It is probably a much better rifle for about the same money. You can also probably get a Wheatherby Vanguard with an accuracy guarantee also for about the same money. Again, in my opinion a better rifle. YMMV.
 
Are you locked in on buying a brand new rifle? Armslist and gunbroker are both good sites for buying used firearms, if you can be patient and negotiate. I bought a Remington Sportsman 78 on armslist last year for about $300 and love it
 
I have looked into Howa and weatherbys also.. The weatherbys have handled felt cheaply made to me and saw some mixed reviews on them... So probably gonna stay away from them personally.

I am most likely gonna go with the Rem 700 SPS tactical .. I think from what hearing/reading that my best bang for buck.. I am just gonna get one new.. I have had mixed results with buying rifles used in past and rather not risk.. Just start off with a new rifle and not have worry about it..

Thanks for the suggestions..
 
Jason6 said:
The rem 700 was one I looked into originally.. however after hearing countless people complain about how the stocks on them are junk.. I didn't care to spend $600-$700 on a rifle and then have to spend money on a new stock and then money on a optic..

I actually owned a Savage model 10 in .308 in past and sold it.. I was not happy with it.. Not to say they not good rifles.. I own a few rimfire Savages and love them but the .308 I had was not impressed with.. So have decided probably going to stay away from Savage and try something different this time..
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Remington has a recall on the 700. Having just gone thru 8+ months of hell with Remington CS because they weren’t making parts to repair my gun and I literally had to threaten legal action to get my gun back, I am going to recommend staying away from Remington products. I looked at a 700 about a year ago, and was not impressed. Now, if you can find a used one made before Remington sold out to the Freedom Group, (Pre 2007 I think), you will probably find a nice one. Older than that would be even better. Remington is not what it used to be.

I’ve not heard anything negative about the Savage Model 10. I’ve been considering a bolt gun in .308 for some time, and the Savage 10 is on top of my list. What didn’t you like about it.
 
I am sorry to hear that.. I would not be happy and probably feel same way if went through that. I heard they had recall but lots of companies have been having recalls lately.. Pretty much every rifle have looked into has had a recall at some point in past few years.. The good part however is that was in the past so the new rifles should be past those issues. Savage has had their own issues.. I know people who have had countless issues with their new .17WSM B Mag and having to wait long periods of time to get it back from Savage.. Sadly no company is perfect and free of problems these days.. I just know Remington has a long history and overall very good track record.. I very rarely hear anything negative about them..

But haven't bought anything yet so keeping options open.. I honestly don't have much interest in buying another Savage centerfire though after my last experience.. The stock felt cheap and came lose, and it didn't shoot anywhere as accurate as expect/heard from a Savage.. It's probably due to crap stocks Savage uses on some of their rifles.
 
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