Decided to stay put in case of escalation...

Gotta be carefull around folks like that. We were in a mickey Ds years ago, a guy was giving the cashier a very hard time making her so nervous she couldnt ring him out. This guy was like 6'6 or so built good in dressy clothes too. The young kid behind the grill was telling the girl how to work the register he was of African descent, the guy said a very rude thing to the kid, I turns to a friend of mine as we were still waiting to order and tole her that old bigots do go away after they die and quit wasting the air. That guy hit me with his tray, on it was some of that nortoriously hot coffee. It hurt. I slammed him to the ground and told him I didnt work there and he couldnt treat me that way when my friends grabbed me and pulled me off. The cops came, I got a free breakfast and a small burn. I never would have thought anyone would react that way but he did and so fast I had no way to avoid the tray as it hit my head.

I had a cousin that was in a store, guy ran past him with a case of beer, my cousin chased him down and held him till the cops got there, cousin got his stuff free from the store. Sadly he passed away awhile ago.

Stuff hits the fan it goes so quick your head will spin.

When a guy I was escorting out of the bar one night took 2 steps turned and emptied a .25 at me, missed me but the shorts took a beating that night. Was so fast All I could do is drop and roll under a truck. It happens fast then all you can do is hang on and go for the ride.
 
When I was a child my dad took me to his job Amtrak-Railroad to show me the train engines at the diesel shop.Little did I know there was this big bulley that use to pick on him.He was a big guy over 6ft 200lbs or better and my dad was 5'5 170.My dad always turned the other cheek in fear of lose of his job perhaps some fear of the big guy.

My dad took me at a time this guy normally does not work but so happens was working overtime that day and my dad had a run in with this guy.The guy was breaking his chops and I guess my dad had enough and the next I remember was this big dude out cold on the concrete floor. It happen so fast I didn't even see the punch that dad layed on his jaw but just heard a strange crack sound.Needless to say the guy stayed clear from dad from that point on.I guess it is true the hand is quicker then the eye.
 
The thing is, while the time where you need to draw a firearm will come with no warning and little time to make the call, the times where you don't need to draw at all make up the VAST majority of cases. Most times in these situations, ANYONE standing up to the bully will make him back down. In the few situations left, the other person is unlikely to be able or willing to apply deadly force.

We don't live in the Wild West, and thank goodness for that. Also, thank goodness that you were there and able to apply the correct amount of pressure to make an idiot back down.
 
I guess I too am missing something here. If, as the OP mentioned that the Asian man appeared to be between 40 and 50, why was the clerk asking for proof of age?
 
Carding 40+

Happens to me all the time. While I look young for my age, I don't look under 30. It's just that many stores have corporate policies requiring cashiers to card anybody who isn't obviously AARP eligible.

Don't take it personally. The cashier is just trying to avoid getting fired.
 
Quote: "Don't take it personally." No, I don't, I was carded till I was thirty four or thirty five. Loved it. But I think the Asian gentleman just cracked under the irritation due to the abject stupidity that has begun to permeate the atmosphere. Following your theory this would be the management of the store.
 
KingEdward, I witnessed a similar situation in Clarksville a couple of weeks ago.
Convieniance store gas pump was out of receipt paper and forced me inside. There was only two other people in the store when I entered and theywere approaching the counter from different angles. The man, about fifty, from the chip rack at my 11:00 with chips. The woman, 45ish, from the coolers, at my 3:00 with a twelve pack.
We were all equal distance from the counter at my 10:00 so I eased to my right and let them fight over who is first. As I assumed a position 2 yards to their 6:00 the woman put her intended purchase on the counter and the clerk, woman-30ish asked for ID. the woman patron stated she didn't have one. Clerk stated she couldn't sell. Woman got Angry and insisted. Clerk didn't budge but showed signs of being nervous. Then the man stepped forward and said he would buy the beer. Clerk stood her ground and said she could not sell beer to someone who was obviously going to purchase it for someone else. He got MAD and approached the counter, clerk stepped back, he slammed the counter with his fist and cussed and swore...clerk took another step back very frightened and reiterated her inability to sell...
He said he would take his business elsewhere and turned to leave. There I was, now 90 degrees to his left, with my arms folded behind my back. He jumped as he had obviously forgottenmy presense during his mini conniption.
The woman also left and they got in the same car. The visibly shaken clerk came back forward appologizing and fumbleing with the cash register.
I just said "That would have really sucked if you had sold them the beer just to find out one of them was from the liquor board" she felt pretty good at that.
 
Clerk stood her ground and said she could not sell beer to someone who was obviously going to purchase it for someone else.
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I know we have a rule against straw buyers for guns.

And I know adults are not permitted to buy alcohol for minors.

But is there a law that prohibits an adult from buying alcohol for someone else who is clearly an adult (a 45ish woman)?
 
"But is there a law that prohibits an adult from buying alcohol for someone else who is clearly an adult (a 45ish woman)?"

She could not prove that she was 45ish any more then she could prove she was 22ish. She (or you or I...) are all les then 21 unless we can provide proof otherwise. Therefore, he would have been purchaseing for a minor.
 
Guns? We don't got to show you no stinking guns!

cloud8a
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what does this thread have to do with firearms? Two pages of no firearm talk and it is still going.
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Because this is "Tactics and Training". Tactics do not require a firearm. In fact, quite often, tactics improve without a gun.

Lost Sheep

(Subject line paraphrased from the movie "Treasure of the Sierra Madre")
 
Ya there are a lot of corp. policies that say they must check all ID if liq is purchased. My job isn't worth losing to sell liquor to someone without ID.
If a co. gets caught selling it they can lose their license to sell. What is that going to cost them? Plus if the often the person selling it will get a very large fine. Not worth it!
In my state you must have ID on you at all time, its the law.
 
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