Debates are a Waste of Time

Perhaps you misunderstand me, you and those you think as you, are the obstacles the President faces, and it disheartens me.
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Proud to be an obstacle to President Bush.

Remember:

Bush has violated the First, Second, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Eigth, Ninth, and Tenth amendments. (Patriot Act, Campaign Finance Reform, Safe Neighborhoods, War on Drugs, EPA powers).
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Never mind the $7 Trillion national debt. It's all about who can spend more money and "make us safer" right? Mr. Bush, Mr. Kerry, if you want to make us safer and regain the trust of foreign countries how about closing down a couple hundred military bases all over the world and using the savings to help pay the interest on the national debt?

That is an excellent article. What disheartens me is having watched a debate where there was so little debate. Less people are watching and less people are voting because it's one big joke. The candidates are completely controlled by corporate, public and personal financial interests. What incentive do either of them have to talk about smaller government? The Democrat party may have been hijacked by communists in the 1960's, but the Republican party has been infiltrated by thugs and corporate raiders since Bush took office.

Recognizing the lack of contrast between the two candidates, people are either rallying behind what they perceive as the "lesser of two evils" or tuning out altogether, rather than voicing their concern as an independant or through a third political party. Bush supporters are brainwashed into thinking Bush is fighting with the U.N. while he, Cheney, Jeb, Rumsfield, and his corporate cronies profit off of this war on terror.

Kerry supporters are brainwashed into thinking the Billionaire limousine liberal Kerry is standing up for the working man and fighting the evil corrupt greedy rich right wingers and trying to keep jobs here while owning a dozen overseas factories and getting $1,300 haircuts. What an incredible joke being perpetrated upon us all. It's like one giant demoralization system and it's getting worse and worse as time goes by. Many of the politicians of the two major parties are self serving and corrupt. Corporations are out trying to get even more kids with minds full of mush to "Rock the Vote" while more and more adults stop voting.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
 
30 Parties, each putting forth up to 120 candidates.
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Legally, a list of 119 candidates must be submitted.

That means you have to be familiar with, let's see, 3600 politician's views!Wow, anyone knows that's impossible. What a scam.
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Exactly. Even though we, unlike you, vote for parties, and not candidate. (An American votes for one out of about four candidates in a district. An Israeli picks among party platforms and is supposed to hope all elected party officials will adhere to it. While this is not the case, no mechanism exists to ensure the personal responsibility.

Any party that fails to exceed 1.5% of the votes is excluded from getting one of the 120 seats...that's about what Nader is looking at. So what's up with that, huh? Forget about a debate, they can't even get a seat! Clearly, any party getting .83333333333333% should get at least one seat....do the math.
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Exactly. That is in line with their current policy of stopping at nothig not to let parties such as Liberty Party on the right or Ale Yarok on the left get through to Knesset.

Still, last I heard, Israel functions pretty well.
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You mean aside from a lack of free speech, right to bear arms, protection from search and seizure, separation of church and state, habeas corpus, and presence of roving wiretaps, troops in major cities, and an import ban on airsoft?

Yeah, the system is working fine. And if you continue repeating our mistakes, you'll be doing as well. :)

Me? I'll be a civilian in 2 years, and I'll use that as an opportunity to get over the pond.
 
if you want to make us safer and regain the trust of foreign countries how about closing down a couple hundred military bases all over the world and using the savings to help pay the interest on the national debt?
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How does that work? How does relinquishing bases and dissolving worldwide ties make us safer? Why pay the interest? is somebody going to repossess the country?
The candidates are completely controlled by corporate, public and personal financial interests.
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You really covered the bases there, leaving out only extraterrestrial interests.
Bush supporters are brainwashed into thinking Bush is fighting with the U.N. while he, Cheney, Jeb, Rumsfield, and his corporate cronies profit off of this war on terror.
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Wow, all the lefty slogans rolled into one. Are you saying Bush is actually working with the UN as Kerry seems to advocate?
 
Much more interesting would be a debate between the Bonesman in Chief and someone like Ray McGovern. Bonesman Kerry just wasn't very much of a challenge.
 
Why would anyone care what NORML says? :confused:



but the Republican party has been infiltrated by thugs and corporate raiders since Bush took office.
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Blaming that on Bush is like blaming liberalism on Bill Clinton. Aside from a brief burst of conservatism under Reagan and later Gingrich, the Republicans have been getting closer and closer to the Dem's sterotype of them for a long time now.
 
I, for one, love politics and political theater, and the debates, like 'em or not, are great political theater.

But the best debates, when issues are really discussed (and NOT talking points), happen in places just like this one.

FWIW, Norml is just about the last place I'll go for intellectually-based arguments. I got nothing against dope smokers, been there done that, and probably will again some day, but the older I get, the more I respect limits. Must have something to do with raising children.

For me, the dems are like mom, the gop like dad. Sometimes we all need a little nuturing, and sometimes we need a good swift kick. When people start killing us, I'm turning to dad, and mom, leave my damn weapons alone.
 
NORML isn't about civil rights (though the issue may be), NORML is a bunch of spoiled idiots.
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That's because generally speaking, the only people who think the drug experience is at all interesting, are people who are on drugs.

OTOH, what more poignant example of a debate being a waste of time could we ask for? Ever try to talk sense to people whose "hobby" is the painfully - no make that hideously - dull activity that is drug use? Ugh!
 
How does that work? How does relinquishing bases and dissolving worldwide ties make us safer? Why pay the interest? is somebody going to repossess the country?
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Get real. How would you like a Pakistani Air Base in central Idaho?

Repossess the country? What is that supposed to be a joke?? The U.N. has been repossessing this country for years now. Many of our national parks and wildlife refuges are now under the control of the United Nations as collateral. Are you one of those neocons who think you can just keep spending and spending money forever and ever?

The drumbeat of the past twenty years has been, "Oh gee, we spent too many billions, we better print more monopoly money." Well guess what, there is a limit to this and it's all gonna come crashing down on our heads.

Wow, all the lefty slogans rolled into one. Are you saying Bush is actually working with the UN as Kerry seems to advocate?
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Yea, I'm a real big left winger. :rolleyes: Get beyond the phony rhetoric, their is no left and right wing. There is no ill feelings between Bush and the U.N., that's for sure. Perhaps you're not aware that the U.N. got the $1.5 Trillion trust fund to loan the Iraqi's back their own money?

Blaming that on Bush is like blaming liberalism on Bill Clinton. Aside from a brief burst of conservatism under Reagan and later Gingrich, the Republicans have been getting closer and closer to the Dem's sterotype of them for a long time now.
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I'm not just blaming it on Bush, there's far more people out there to worry about than just Bush. But there is a timeline to when all of this craziness began. The first round was in the early nineties with Clinton and then round two seemed to start with Bush.
 
Voting ? Me

Most Americans don't vote. More and more Americans
are figuring out that there's little substantial
difference between the major party candidates.
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I will never vote. So I'm with the majority that figures "politics is worse than a bed of rattlesnakes".
 
My two cents...

If Al Gore had been elected, would we have renewed the AWB?

If you say yes, than voting makes a difference.
 
If Al Gore had been elected, would we have renewed the AWB?

If you say yes, than voting makes a difference.
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And if you say NO, you are living in la-la land!



I will never vote. So I'm with the majority that figures "politics is worse than a bed of rattlesnakes".
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Then don't ever complain about the state of things. You've forfeited your right to do so. You are part of the problem.


But there is a timeline to when all of this craziness began. The first round was in the early nineties with Clinton and then round two seemed to start with Bush.
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Your'e right about there being a timeline. But it goes waaaaay farther back than that.
 
Get real. How would you like a Pakistani Air Base in central Idaho?
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Were we talking about a Pakistani Air base anywhere? Stick to the argument we're having, not the one you want.
Repossess the country? What is that supposed to be a joke?? The U.N. has been repossessing this country for years now. Many of our national parks and wildlife refuges are now under the control of the United Nations as collateral. Are you one of those neocons who think you can just keep spending and spending money forever and ever?
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In a dream.
 
Were we talking about a Pakistani Air base anywhere? Stick to the argument we're having, not the one you want.
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In a dream.
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It's one thing to disagree, but it's entirely another to just deny what somebody is saying. I can't have a discussion with somebody who can't carry on a normal conversation.
 
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