EastSideRich
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Well I’m sure I’m not going to make any friends with this one, but come on guys; I can’t believe only two people here think this was a little excessive. I am getting the feeling the consensus here is if you run from the cops, they can and should kill you.
First off at no point did this guy try to ram into another car – watch the video again, all his maneuvers were evasive.
I don’t see how any officers could have been injured in this pursuit, except for the two who crashed into the perp’s car. I have read this guy was a drug dealer and in a stolen car
( not sure if this is true or not ), but from what is shown in the video, this started when the first officer saw this car partially in a ditch and flipped on his lights, it didn’t seem like the original officer was after this guy. Unless it is known to be a fact that this is the case (stolen car), it is entirely possible and probable that this guy was running because of a suspended license or warrant or something petty that usually people end up running for (I am not excusing his actions). Even if it was a stolen car, it appeared to me this chase was just because the guy took off, and they probably never knew the car was stolen until after it was over.
The other thing that seems to keep coming up is the cop on the hood of the car “trying to avoid being run over”. If you watch closely at t=3:55 this officer jumps onto the hood while the car is stopped. The driver also must not have tried to get going very fast if this officer was able to stay kneeling on the hood without loosing his balance. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy wasn’t even conscious after the second collision squarely on his door. This car was also not going anywhere with the number of cars converging on it and the damage it had taken. This chase had ended.
This was a dangerous chase, but some of the posts about this make it seem like it was on crowded streets with children running around and such. I only saw one red light and one other car that was not police. If this chase was so dangerous why not call it off – if the fleeing car cannot be quickly stopped and it is putting innocent bystanders in harms way, I think, and this is just my opinion, the chase should be called off unless it is absolutely necessary to apprehend the suspect, like with a murder suspect etc. I don’t think a stolen car justifies the risk to other people. I know if my wife were killed after the police chased a guy like this all over town, I would be FURIOUS at the police for keeping up the chase for something like a stolen car, or just because the guy ran. If it can’t be stopped quickly, it’s not worth the terrible things that can happen. If a chase lasts more than a minute or so, there’s a pretty good chance it’s going to end in a crash of some sort.
I want to preface this by saying I’m sorry John. I usually agree with what you say, and think you seem extremely knowledgeable but
I am all for getting violent criminals off of the street, but as far as I can see, this guy was trying to get away – not purposely trying to hurt anyone. I just feel that this guy was killed because of adrenaline, and to teach him a lesson. I think the guy made some VERY bad choices, but the manner in which he was killed was in my opinion quite excessive. The chase was over, This guy was punished for what he had done. What he did was stupid and dangerous – even to other people, but geez, they actually killed him.
First off at no point did this guy try to ram into another car – watch the video again, all his maneuvers were evasive.
I don’t see how any officers could have been injured in this pursuit, except for the two who crashed into the perp’s car. I have read this guy was a drug dealer and in a stolen car
( not sure if this is true or not ), but from what is shown in the video, this started when the first officer saw this car partially in a ditch and flipped on his lights, it didn’t seem like the original officer was after this guy. Unless it is known to be a fact that this is the case (stolen car), it is entirely possible and probable that this guy was running because of a suspended license or warrant or something petty that usually people end up running for (I am not excusing his actions). Even if it was a stolen car, it appeared to me this chase was just because the guy took off, and they probably never knew the car was stolen until after it was over.
The other thing that seems to keep coming up is the cop on the hood of the car “trying to avoid being run over”. If you watch closely at t=3:55 this officer jumps onto the hood while the car is stopped. The driver also must not have tried to get going very fast if this officer was able to stay kneeling on the hood without loosing his balance. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if the guy wasn’t even conscious after the second collision squarely on his door. This car was also not going anywhere with the number of cars converging on it and the damage it had taken. This chase had ended.
This was a dangerous chase, but some of the posts about this make it seem like it was on crowded streets with children running around and such. I only saw one red light and one other car that was not police. If this chase was so dangerous why not call it off – if the fleeing car cannot be quickly stopped and it is putting innocent bystanders in harms way, I think, and this is just my opinion, the chase should be called off unless it is absolutely necessary to apprehend the suspect, like with a murder suspect etc. I don’t think a stolen car justifies the risk to other people. I know if my wife were killed after the police chased a guy like this all over town, I would be FURIOUS at the police for keeping up the chase for something like a stolen car, or just because the guy ran. If it can’t be stopped quickly, it’s not worth the terrible things that can happen. If a chase lasts more than a minute or so, there’s a pretty good chance it’s going to end in a crash of some sort.
I want to preface this by saying I’m sorry John. I usually agree with what you say, and think you seem extremely knowledgeable but
Are you saying anyone who flees the police should be killed? Most would say DWI is a wanton disregard for public safety – should this also be a capital offence? How about driving 50 mph over the speed limit, how about 25? Maybe a better solution for any of the above would just be life imprisonment.the first time the suspect displays an obvious and wanton disregard for public safety he should be treated exactly as I would be treated if I went to a heavily populated area and started shooting randomly.
If fleeing itself is a felony, does this mean they automatically can kill you just for running?in my state an officer can shoot you if you are fleeing from a felony arrest.
I am all for getting violent criminals off of the street, but as far as I can see, this guy was trying to get away – not purposely trying to hurt anyone. I just feel that this guy was killed because of adrenaline, and to teach him a lesson. I think the guy made some VERY bad choices, but the manner in which he was killed was in my opinion quite excessive. The chase was over, This guy was punished for what he had done. What he did was stupid and dangerous – even to other people, but geez, they actually killed him.