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How strong are they and are they safe to shoot. Maybe not quite as strong as our new modern steels, but if they haven't been reamed out they are safe to shoot. Sherman Bell ran a series of articles in the DGJ back around 2005 to 2008. He was given 20 Damascus barrel wall hangers and was ask to try and blow them up. He teamed up with Tom Armburst who had pressure testing equipment. With the first 14, all with pitted barrels, some with loose ribs, and many loose on the action, none of the failed with Remington 18,500psi proof loads. The chambers and bores were miced - nothing changed. They then took a Parker and kept increasing the loads till finally at around 30,000psi the barrels let go in the chambers. Latter he took 7 guns, these with twist Damascus barrels [ twist was considered weaker than pattern Damascus ] and got the same results. Two of them were 10ga guns with 2 5/8" and 2 7/8" chambers and the proof loads were 3 1/2". 3 1/3" 10ga magnum proof loads tested to have 20,000psi in twist Damascus guns with 2 5/8 and 2 7/8 chambers. They did NOT blow up. The chambers and bore stayed the same. The guns did get a couple of thousands looser on the action. That's it. None of the twist barrel guns failed.
The British have always, even to this day, will proof test any set of barrels that have been honed too much. If they pass proof then they get their seal of approval as safe to shoot. Their were also Damascus barreled rifles made, and still proofed. Rifles operate at a much higher pressure than shotguns.
Here in the US when Remington figured out a way to make plain steel barrels without a weld going the entire length, it made barrel making much quicker and cheaper. That and WW1 experienced Damascus barrel makers from Belgium were killed in the war - and experience was needed to recognize proper heat colors for good welds. So American manufactures told everyone how dangerous Damascus barrels were so they could sell more guns. They also had shotgun shell manufactures write on the box not to use the new smokeless powders in Damascus barreled guns. That pretty much put an end to shooting Damascus barrel guns.
Here was the problem. In the beginning when shotgun shells were reloaded at home or in the field, an adjustable measure was used that measured equal amounts of shot and BP by volume. Then bulk smokeless powder was invented. The same measure could be used. Along came smokeless powders with nitro. You couldn't use the old measures, but guys didn't understand this, continued to use the old measures, and blew up their gun. Instead of 80 to over a 100grs of BP only 15 to 20grs of the new nitro was used. So we have gun manufactures wanting to sell more guns and shell manufactures in cahoots with them along with improper reloading procedures.
I got back into the shotgun shooting sports after a 40 year layoff around 2000 and about 2005 started buying and shooting Damascus barreled SxSs. Eight or ten of us at the club shoot Damascus guns, I've been to big national shoots where many shoot Damascus guns, and I put on a SxS shoot since 2005 of around 50 shooters and about half of those shoot Damascus guns. I have 10 Damascus barrel guns and shoot one or the other three times a week at the club. If the chambers haven't been lengthened or barrels reamed or honed too much making them too thin, then in mine, and many other shooters minds, Damascus barreled guns are safe to shoot. I love it when a gun store writes on one " Damascus unsafe to shoot". It means a lower price. Any comments are welcome. Thanks for reading .
The British have always, even to this day, will proof test any set of barrels that have been honed too much. If they pass proof then they get their seal of approval as safe to shoot. Their were also Damascus barreled rifles made, and still proofed. Rifles operate at a much higher pressure than shotguns.
Here in the US when Remington figured out a way to make plain steel barrels without a weld going the entire length, it made barrel making much quicker and cheaper. That and WW1 experienced Damascus barrel makers from Belgium were killed in the war - and experience was needed to recognize proper heat colors for good welds. So American manufactures told everyone how dangerous Damascus barrels were so they could sell more guns. They also had shotgun shell manufactures write on the box not to use the new smokeless powders in Damascus barreled guns. That pretty much put an end to shooting Damascus barrel guns.
Here was the problem. In the beginning when shotgun shells were reloaded at home or in the field, an adjustable measure was used that measured equal amounts of shot and BP by volume. Then bulk smokeless powder was invented. The same measure could be used. Along came smokeless powders with nitro. You couldn't use the old measures, but guys didn't understand this, continued to use the old measures, and blew up their gun. Instead of 80 to over a 100grs of BP only 15 to 20grs of the new nitro was used. So we have gun manufactures wanting to sell more guns and shell manufactures in cahoots with them along with improper reloading procedures.
I got back into the shotgun shooting sports after a 40 year layoff around 2000 and about 2005 started buying and shooting Damascus barreled SxSs. Eight or ten of us at the club shoot Damascus guns, I've been to big national shoots where many shoot Damascus guns, and I put on a SxS shoot since 2005 of around 50 shooters and about half of those shoot Damascus guns. I have 10 Damascus barrel guns and shoot one or the other three times a week at the club. If the chambers haven't been lengthened or barrels reamed or honed too much making them too thin, then in mine, and many other shooters minds, Damascus barreled guns are safe to shoot. I love it when a gun store writes on one " Damascus unsafe to shoot". It means a lower price. Any comments are welcome. Thanks for reading .
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