CZ P07 or Glock 23

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chaim

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So, I "need" a midsized .40S&W pistol. I haven't had a working .40 in a while and it is finally time to rectify that. I have recently come to prefer a midsized/compact (CZ P01, P07, Glock 19/23, SIG P229) sized gun for when I can carry.

I would go with the CZ P06 to have what is essentially the .40S&W version of my P01, but I'm put off by it only having a 10 round mag capacity when most guns this size have 12-15. I'd get a SIG P229 but it is basically out of my price range.

I am considering the CZ P07 and the Glock 23. I don't love the trigger on either gun, but they are serviceable. Both have reputations as reliable guns. If you are going to make other recommendations (I am pretty familiar with what is out there, but I always welcome first hand accounts), I definitely want either DAO (traditional or striker) or TDA (DA/SA) with a decocker not a safety.

I will be putting some guns I don't really use anymore on consignment and I'll probably be buying something after they sell.

Reasons for me to pick one over the other:

Glock:
  1. They are kind of the standard by which other polymer guns are rated.
  2. They are a tad smaller in most dimensions and lighter than other guns of the same class/size
  3. They are generally highly reliable
  4. They are generally accurate
  5. I don't yet have a Glock and given how many guns I have and how long I've been buying them, I probably should have one (see #1)
  6. It will probably be easier to find holsters and other accessories, and if I want to have work done to it smiths will definitely be easier to find
  7. These (2, 3, 4, 6) combine to make them terrific guns to consider when looking at carry guns even if Glocks aren't really your favorites.


CZ:
  1. I am a big CZ fan. My CZ 75B probably has over 20K rounds (I stopped counting at 10K about a decade ago). I also own a P01, and I once had a CZ 40B.
  2. They are generally very reliable
  3. They are generally accurate
  4. The CZ is hammer fired and not striker fired. I tend to prefer hammer fired guns, and it will more closely match the MOA on my other defensive guns (revolvers, SIG P250, SIG P290, CZ P01)
  5. Most of my favorite holster brands make holsters for the P07.


Edit: See post #16, I've had to add another gun to the list
 
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You can't really go wrong with a Glock. It's the standard for a reason. That said you mentioned preferring hammer fired guns and an affinity for CZ. That seems like reason enough to go with the P-07. It's basically a hammer-fired CZ take on the Glock 19/23.

I don't have the 40 version but I do have the 9mm. The P-07 is an excellent firearm. Very accurate and utterly reliable. I don't have a bad thing to say about it.
 
If you wanted a 9mm I'd recommend you get the G-19 before you got the P-07. Both service pistols are that good, and both are worth owning, IMHO.

But in .40S&W, I'd take the P-07 over the G-23, I've tried out both and I just think think the CZ P-07 in .40S&W handles a little better to hit a target, for me at least!
 
If you wanted a 9mm I'd recommend you get the G-19 before you got the P-07. Both service pistols are that good, and both are worth owning, IMHO.

But in .40S&W, I'd take the P-07 over the G-23, I've tried out both and I just think think the CZ P-07 in .40S&W handles a little better to hit a target, for me at least!
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If I was getting another 9mm, I'd probably be looking at the G26 v. the CZ RAMI BD (and probably the SA XD), and I'd be leaning towards the Glock due to size/weight advantages (though I like the metal of the RAMI and of course, it is a CZ). At that size I'd prefer the 9mm to the .40 I think. Heck, I probably should be looking there right now since I have my SIG P250C, and my CZ P01 on the larger carry side, and my SIG P290RS on the smaller side (as well as several I don't use: several small snubs, a Kel Tec Pf-9, and a smaller Ruger LCP), but for summer the in-between G26 would probably make some sense (smaller than my "compact" service guns for summer carry, more capacity and greater sight radius and weight than my micro 9s and .380 for improved capability). However, after years without a working .40 (I really do need to get my Taurus PT140 sent for repairs, though I'm not sure I'll ever trust it for CCW or home defense again), I've decided that that is the more pressing need.

I may actually be leaning slightly towards the G23. Being just a tad smaller and lighter than similar class/sized guns from other manufacturers (including the CZ) it seems it may just barely be able to serve in that in-between size that I'm currently missing that a G26 or RAMI sized gun might serve.
 
Quote: I'd get a SIG P229 but it is basically out of my price range.
SIG P229 all the way. Would you consider used or CPO?? I am seeing really nice used P229s for $500 at LGS and CPOs (Certified Pre Owned) for about $550.

If you can go up to $599 you can get new in the box HK P30 .40 which is another fantastic pistol.

https://www.cdnnsports.com/hk-p30-40....html?___SID=U
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IMHO a LNIB P30 or P229 would be a step up from a CZ or Glock, and a used .40 is usually a couple hundred bucks cheaper!
 
They are both practically identical in dimensions, but the CZ has a slightly narrower and slimmer grip. Both are great pistols, whichever you choose. In my case, I have and enjoy both.

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SIG P229 all the way. Would you consider used or CPO?? I am seeing really nice used P229s for $500 at LGS and CPOs (Certified Pre Owned) for about $550. Lots and lots of nice used .40 in gun stores.

If you can go up to $599 you can get new in the box HK P30 .40 which is another fantastic pistol.

https://www.cdnnsports.com/hk-p30-40....html?___SID=U
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I would consider used if I see one I like, but of course I can get a used Glock or CZ (though used CZs are rare) for even less. My previous .40S&W SIG P229 (which I never would have sold if I didn't desperately need money to pay bills one summer) was bought used. If I go SIG this time, I'll likely get another SIG P250 Compact (which would allow me to use the same holster), just in .40S&W, or maybe an SP2022.

I don't really want an HK. I also can't buy from CDNN, they won't ship handguns to Maryland.
 
They are both practically identical in dimensions, but the CZ has a slightly narrower and slimmer grip. Both are great pistols, whichever you choose. In my case, I have and enjoy both.
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Great photos...

Funny that the Glock looks thicker in the photos. That is a useful picture actually. By the measurements, the Glock is significantly (for a CCW pistol) thinner. 1.18mm v. 1.45 for the CZ. I guess the CZ's thickness is probably from the larger slide release and the safety, which doesn't seem to be as important for concealment as the thickness of the grip (and those numbers aren't usually published, only thickness at the thickest point). Though, both from the numbers and your photos, the Glock's butt seems shorter which can be important too (though compensated for with a proper cant).
 
I don't know where the width measurements come from for the P-07 but it does not feel like it's an inch and a half thick by any stretch. Holding both the P-07 and a G19 in each hand the G19 feels smaller and lighter. But not by much.
 
Looks like where the CZ is thicker is in the slide. Since I carry IWB, that will be hidden in my pants anyway so that won't really matter. Based upon your pictures, I'm wondering if the measurements published online that show the Glock as shorter in the butt are taken without the mag. From the second set of pictures, the gun itself looks to be shorter in the butt, but with the mag hanging out of the Glock more, it is either the same length when loaded or even a tad longer in the butt. Is that an accurate assessment of the thickness and height?
 
Yes, you are correct. I'm the same way in regards to not worrying about the slightly thicker slide since IWB is my choice as well.
 
Too easy...when given the choice of CZ vs (xxxxxxxxxx) CZ is the answer.

Unless you're looking for a single stack CC pistol or a pocket pistol.
 
Of the two you list with the criteria provided, I would choose the CZ. Although I have not fired one, I do like the ergonomics better as well as the fact that it is hammer fired.

I actually went with the G23, but had an additional criteria-I have a Sub-2000 in .40 S&W that uses Glock mags.

If you are not set on choosing one of the two listed pistols, I would suggest you at least look at the Sig SP2022 based on your comments about the P229. Although it is a different pistol, the controls are in a very similar location and it is a Sig.
 
Adding a gun to my list...

OK, I need to make an adjustment...

I thought I had it narrowed down to the CZ P07 and Glock 23 as my top two (with a chance I may go for a .40S&W SIG P250 to keep things similar to my .45ACP P250), but I have to rethink.

Now that S&W is out with the M&P 2.0 I'm noticing some really nice prices on the original M&P (both full sized and compact). The full-sized M&P40 is a little larger than I want, the subcompact M&P40c is a little smaller. However, I can always get a a compact with a full-sized mag and a grip adapter for when a bigger gun can easily be concealed, and it will give me the in-between size I don't have for some summer use. I have often considered the M&P and there is a lot I like about it, but I've never liked the trigger. However, at around $400 (I'm seeing it at $399 to about $420 depending upon the seller) for a brand new S&W, I may have to reconsider. Tomorrow after work I may have to see if anyone locally has them at the discounted price and if not, I can still have one for around $460 with all fees, which is about $100-150 less than the other options I'm considering (only the SIG P250 that I'm barely considering would be about the same). With the savings, I could easily afford to have an aftermarket trigger installed if the trigger really bothered me, and if it didn't, the savings would be quite nice.

I'm not sure why the compact is discounted on a few sites (compared to most sites) though since looking at the S&W site, it appears that only the full size has been replaced with the M&P 2.0 (at least for now). However, I'm not complaining, other than this throwing a wrench into the fact that I thought I was almost decided.

The one thing that worries me if I go with a full size M&P (non 2.0) now that there is a replacement or a compact since I assume there will be soon, is that lately S&W orphans their discontinued models pretty quickly. Its been about 2-5 years now since they've made parts or serviced their 3rd gen pistols even though the last of them were discontinued only 5-10 years ago (depending upon the model).
 
For me the CZ P07 has been the best 9mm I've ever had, hands down. I have no problem putting 50 rounds in a 2" hole rapid fire at 7yds. All my other 9mm's are 3-4" doing the same.
 
I've been very pleased with my M&P (non-2.0). Yes'm the trigger is a little sub-par without an easily distinguishable tactile or audible reset; however, it's the most comfortable, shootable, and accurate (in my hands, anyway) pistol that I own...others in my collection being several Glocks, an FNS, an HK VP, an SP2022, a Shield, and 2 XD/XDMs. And, it's never had a malfunction...not even one...though I could also say that about all the others as well.
 
Back in the old days of IT, the saying was "No one gets fired for going with IBM." Yeah, I'm close to being a curdmudgon . . . ;)

Go with the G23. Upgrade to your heart's content or leave it stock or something in between.
 
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