CZ P07 Gen 2 (Duty)

My experience with CZs is very limited. I've picked up a few, but only ever shot one. That said, I seem to recall handling a P07 years ago. IIRC (no guarantees here), I eliminated it from the running in choosing a new CC pistol because it seemed like it had a whole bunch of sharp edges.

Nonetheless, by most other accounts that I've read, they're good pistols. I look forward to seeing how this plays out for you.
 
The sharp edges were problematic with the gen1 models and that's one of the issues addressed with the gen2 version.
 
^^^ That sounds right. More accurately, I've read that in other places. I haven't actually gone out to look at the Gen 2s. By the time I'd heard about them, I'd bought a different pistol.
 
Pukindog12 -
Make sure to have some trigger return springs in your range bag.
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Oh man....That concerns me too. I've seen those break so much on these guns. Granted, the local range has had trigger return springs break on Glocks, but they're in the 100,000's downrange.

I'm a little nervous that my CZ will be like one of the ones that I've seen myself.


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With a main spring change, you can lighten the pull easily, and a little polishing or a bunch of dry fire, smooths out a CZ trigger very well.

My 75s have very nice triggers. I don't have much experience with the P07 though, and it may require a little more to get nice.
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I just want to get this trigger up to SIG Sauer or closer. I have snap caps. I don't mind dry firing like a beast to get there.
 
Spats -
That sounds right. More accurately, I've read that in other places. I haven't actually gone out to look at the Gen 2s. By the time I'd heard about them, I'd bought a different pistol.
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The Glock 19 Gen 4? :p

I read about the Gen 1 CZ P07. I hope this one really is better.

The SP01 looks nice, but one of my gripes with CZ's in general was / is also the itty-bitty slide. Slingshotting must be a bitch in a class.
 
Had a Gen 2 (non duty) P-07 and it was a fantastic shooter. Probably only had about 1200 rounds through it but I really liked the trigger for a DA/SA. DA was nice, SA was nice. Accurate and reliable.

It did have some issues with 115 grain cheap blaster ammo in the first few hundred rounds, probably the spring being tight. Ran heavier ammo perfect and after a few hundred rounds it ate 115 grain like a champ.

I ended up getting rid of it for 2 reasons. 1) the thumb safety was not useful for my hands, and therefore SAO "cocked and locked" was impossible 2) I bought it hoping for cocked and locked, and I just don't love DA/SA.

If I wanted to get back into DA/SA, P07 would be my short list again as I am not a lover of SIG triggers, and their top-heavy feel (in my hands).

Holsters are a pain for the P07, though I do see many manufacturers are picking them up now. I used an Aliengear and a couple from RDR. HK USP Compact holster also fit well enough, but not perfect.
 
Constantine said:
The SP01 looks nice, but one of my gripes with CZ's in general was / is also the itty-bitty slide. Slingshotting must be a bitch in a class.
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The narrow slide inside the frame IS an issue for some folks, but it's not as big a deal as some make it out to be. The slide is actually WIDER than some guns (like my BHP), but it has less height and less metal to easily grasp. But, gripping it differently overcomes that issue -- as most CZ lovers have learned. On the other hand slingshotting seems to be increasingly falling into disfavor, with fewer "classes" teaching or advocating its use.

One reason is that the old cliche about the slingshot technique NOT requiring fine motor skills has been found to be wrong. Not releasing cleanly creates problems. The US military no longer teaches that method when sending folks through handgun classes -- although slighshoting as part of a clearance drill may still be taught -- but I'd argue that a clearance drill is addressing a subtly different situation and context.

Another reason is that with standard rapid reloads, you must move the gun much farther away from a likely opponent or target (in a self-defense or gun game context), and it takes longer to get the gun back on target than other reload techniques. You almost never see the "slingshot" technique used by those who do well in the gun games with any style gun; more and more shooters are going to variations of the "hand-over" technique.

One reason "slingshoting" continues to be used and discussed is that it's hard for many of us old-timers to change the things we've been doing for years... Habits are habits.
 
Oh man....That concerns me too. I've seen those break so much on these guns. Granted, the local range has had trigger return springs break on Glocks, but they're in the 100,000's downrange.
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Does anyone know when maintenance wise those are supposed to be swapped out? I know on my HKs I find after 2500 rds or so there's a noticeable loss in the "springiness".
 
I've heard tales of broken trigger springs from time to time, but seldom heard of it from folks who had directly experienced the problem.

That said, one guy I've shared messages with spoke of 6-7 broken trigger springs with several CZs that he owned (both P-01s and a full-size model, too) -- so I know it can happen. But, except for that person's experience, my only other knowledge of a trigger-spring problem was when I was a long-time moderator on the CZ Forum, in the early 2000's, and we learned of a bad batch of bad springs that went out in some of the alloy compact models. A number of CZ owners were affected by that, and CZ fixed the guns quickly.

I've had CZs since the late 1990s, and have put 10s of thousands of rounds through a bunch of different CZ and never had that problem.

It may be a problem, but I don't think it's as common as some claim. Extractor springs used to be the problem -- but that part was upgraded.
 
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Constantine said:
Spats McGee said:
That sounds right. More accurately, I've read that in other places. I haven't actually gone out to look at the Gen 2s. By the time I'd heard about them, I'd bought a different pistol.
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The Glock 19 Gen 4? :p
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Yes, sir. That's the one!

What's the purpose of this CZ? Are you trying it out for carry? HD? Range fun?
 
The CZ P-07 is a DA/SA Glock 19. It's pretty much the bee's knees. Pretty much the only weakness in the design is the above mentioned trigger return spring. You can get a replacement sprint via Cajun Gunworks, if I'm not mistaken, that has a better life cycle. Alternately, do some research on the spring weight / size, and replace it with something from Wolf or whomever. All told, this is a problem with a very easy work around.

It's on a short list of firearms to buy if I ever stop spending my money on ammo instead.

If you have a .gov or .mil address and credentials, e-mail the CZ support team. They'll send a long a really attractive price chart.
 
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I have broken the trigger spring on my PCR twice, but I believe it's my own dang fault for using needle-nosed pliers to reinstall them each time. After the second time, I consulted the CZ forum and learned that pliers can cause premature wear on the spring; the correct (and much, much easier) way to install it is with the CGW slave pin. I haven't had a problem in the 2,000 or so rounds since, but I've also been using the CGW spring over that period so it's not a fair comparison.

My SP-01, which I've shot many, many more thousands of rounds through (including two trips to Frontsight's pistol skill builder's class), has held up just fine with the stock spring. I lost track ofnmy round count, but it was my only gun for a while; I'd estimate it at around 12,000 based on my ammo consumption over the last few years.
 
Spats
Yes, sir. That's the one!

What's the purpose of this CZ? Are you trying it out for carry? HD? Range fun?
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A bit of everything to be honest. But primarily to conceal carry.

My favorite carry guns of all time, as you know... Have been the SIG P229 and P226 (which you also know I may be going back to) and the Glock 19 along with HK USP 45s and 9s.



So. It's here. This damn thing feels great in my hands. :eek:


I used to work at the FFL where I picked it up.

Oh...My..Lord... Were they giving me hell about it.

"Grab the tampons that come with it"

"Wow, why did you buy that POS?"

"Can't believe you bought that garbage"


So on and so forth. lol... Before you get too chest thumpy with their comments. This is the very place that we ALL saw CZ doo-doo the bed together. I told them I'm going to give them a try for myself and they laugh, and laughed, and laughed.


Just thought I'd add that. So you see where my previous disdain came from. Of course now, like with SIG Sauer, it's subsided and I feel companies should be given a second chance. Or in CZs case, a chance for the heck of it.

I'll report back here.
 
Just thought I'd add that. So you see where my previous disdain came from. Of course now, like with SIG Sauer, it's subsided and I feel companies should be given a second chance. Or in CZs case, a chance for the heck of it.
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Good for you for being willing to do that, because many people won't.

Definitely update us as you go. It's literally on my list of "in the future" pistols. I never have owned the Gen 2 and from what I remember the ergos were a lot better. Plus I know with places like CGW I can get a darn good trigger for not a lot of work.
 
Constantine said:
Spats said:
What's the purpose of this CZ? Are you trying it out for carry? HD? Range fun?
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A bit of everything to be honest. But primarily to conceal carry.
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Well, I have to admit that the P07 is (IMHO) in that Goldilocks size range to do a little of everything. Large enough to shoot well, small enough to conceal . . . .
 
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