CZ P07 Gen 2 (Duty)

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Well, looks like I'm going to give them my own personal shot this time.

I've always preferred DA / SA pistols. Losing my marriage with SIG Sauer this year left me in a confusing place.

My go-to was the P229 and P226. I have Glock 19s. They're great. But they're not my preferred platform.

I've moved onto HK and I am absolutely in love with them. I have the USP 45 and 45 Compact. However, HK has had it's issues with me as well. The full sized pistols are perfect. But as we all know, they're a pretty penny $850- $1,000 in most cases. Aside from that, the USP 9 Compact is way too small for my hands and it reminds me more of a Glock 26 than it does a 19. It would pinch my hands on mag changes. The USP 45 C also had it's issues with me. I had to change the DA / SA to an LEM because the safety-decocker rubbed my inner thumb raw to the point of bleeding with a skin flap dangling around after 250 rounds.

So what now? I don't want to go back to SIG Sauer. Will I ever again? Maybe yes. Maybe not. But not any time soon.

Then I see my buddy selling his CZ P07 that's like new in the box for a good price? I think I'll take that and give it a shot for myself. I don't have much to lose.


Now, I have never been a fan of CZ. In fact, most know it's been the opposite. I've seen several fail and fall apart in classes and in just normal range use. So I never even wanted to give them the time of day. Until now....


I'll let you guys know how it is when I get it and I'll run it through it's paces. If it's what I've always seen them to be, I'll sell it and make a profit and move on with my search. If not, I may have found a new DA / SA 9mm carry gun.
 
If you like Hk, get a P30 or VP9 and be done with it. If you are that price sensitive, the price of the VP's is at or under $600. The trigger guard on the CZ P07 is just garishly hideous, and personally I wouldn't even consider a pistol if I'd seen "several" of them fail and fall apart.
 
"falling apart" what do people do to tear up their CZs?

You'll love the 07 I'm sure, reliable, accurate, simply wonderful to own.

I've been wanting an 07 in 40 for a while just because I have a bunch of left over factory ammo, reloads, brass, and dies from when I had a p229.

That plan could go down the drain if I ever find a "blued" 75 again.
 
I've heard very little complaints about the quality of the polymer "P series" from CZ. It's a more modern design and there are some out there that have put them through some pretty hard use with good results. I love mine. Accurate, reliable... what's not to love?

The wife made the same comment about the trigger guard when she saw it. Doesn't bother me. At all. In fact, while it certainly isn't a prominent consideration when choosing a firearm, I believe the P-07 to be one of the best if not the best looking polymer gun on the market. Large trigger guard and all.
 
Sgt Pepper said:
If you like Hk, get a P30 or VP9 and be done with it. If you are that price sensitive, the price of the VP's is at or under $600. The trigger guard on the CZ P07 is just garishly hideous, and personally I wouldn't even consider a pistol if I'd seen "several" of them fail and fall apart.
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I side with you on that. It's been years and years and it's no secret that I'm not a fan of CZ and never have been. I'm just willing to step outside the box and give them a try. I gave my all to SIG Sauer and they fell through on a personal level. At this point CZ is above them even with seeing them malfunction. (Extractors and sights coming off and breaking.)

Also, "price sensitive" isn't the way I'd put it. It sounds like I'm a cheapskate. I own high end firearms. TRP, HK, owned Colts, SIGs, scandium Smith and Wesson 360PD... etc. The USP 9c wasn't for me. It was too small. And the full size is about the same size as the USP 45 that's full size.

P30L sounds good but fell through. I had one placed on layaway and it fell through because of personal reasons / finance issues.

Again, giving this CZ a *try* became a friend is selling it for a ridiculous price. Already have a buyer set up if I don't like it :)

As for the VP9. I fired it and it didn't wow me. I feel I already have a variant of it. A more blocky and aesthetically unpleasant version of it. Glock 19 and 17. Both striker fired and Glock has a longer running time. I get that people see it differently and swear by the VP9. I just don't see the need for it. I have several strikers.

Looking for a replacement to my P229.
 
ritepath said:
"falling apart" what do people do to tear up their CZs?

You'll love the 07 I'm sure, reliable, accurate, simply wonderful to own.

I've been wanting an 07 in 40 for a while just because I have a bunch of left over factory ammo, reloads, brass, and dies from when I had a p229.

That plan could go down the drain if I ever find a "blued" 75 again.
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I just saw extractors break and sights fall out along with possible mag related issues that I didn't mention in my last post.

I hope I do like it. I may send it to "Cajun Gun Works" if I'm not fond of the trigger. I've heard and researched a lot about them.
 
Constantine, when I was last in the market I chose the P-07 over the P229. I still like the trigger on the P229 better by a small margin but overall something about the P-07 just called to me. I'm not a CZ guy either. Honestly, the 75 doesn't do anything for me whether on a shelf or in my hand. I know, I'm odd. I don't know man. Sounds like you can't lose with this deal so it's worth a shot. Good luck and be sure to let us know what you think. I'm always interested to hear if other's experiences mirror mine.
 
If the gun doesn't have much in the way of use so far chances are you are going to "not love the trigger". It's not bad. But it's not great. I got lucky with the one I bought and it still wasn't great. It's a little gritty at first and there is some stacking. The single action is a little spongy. Kind of rolls through the break as opposed to an ideal glass rod. The DA smooths out considerably but can be lightened with CGW springs. The SA, you would need to replace the hammer if it bothers you. I've thought about the upgrades but keep deciding to stand pat with it. But I might just not have the pallet to appreciate a really good trigger. I'm not too sensitive with them.
 
It's been years and years and it's no secret that I'm not a fan of CZ and never have been. I'm just willing to step outside the box and give them a try.
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Well that's certainly a new development.

I've never been a big fan of the P07, the older Duty or the newer non-Duty. I've owned the Duty twice and it was meh for me and the newer model I dry fired in the store had this hump in the DA trigger pull that was more pronounced than anything I've felt on CZs in the past. But that may well have just been a lemon.

For me right now the HK P2000 at $550 from CDNN is the current steal for DA/SA polymer pistols, but it's the same size as a USP Compact and like you said too small for your hands. Good luck with the P-07!
 
TBT, I'm with you on this. I'm spoiled by SIG Sauer triggers, and while I hate to admit it now, they have the best DA / SA triggers I've ever felt fired. Especially when broken in.

If this CZ fails me or doesn't tickle my fancy, I guess I'll look at Beretta compact pistols. The 92 compact that is.

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I have also found SIGs to have the best DA/SA trigger action that I have encountered. My entire experience with the CZ P-07 Duty was firing one magazine load through one when I traded pistols with the fellow next to me at a range. I don't know what generation it was.

I was excited to try it because I had heard good things about the P-07. It had one of the worst DA triggers I have run into. I have to regard this as a fluke, or perhaps it was early production, since so many people seem to like them. But this trigger was pretty heavy, very gritty, and stacked noticeably.

Did CZ change the trigger on the P-07 Duty somewhere along the line?
 
I think "crunchy DA triggers on the P-07" while maybe rare, are probably too common to be called a fluke. I've not encountered one (I don't think so anyway, though like I said I'm not overly picky) but they're out there in the wild.

Constantine - With the right springs and hammer I think you can get the P-07 pretty close to that of a SIG. But then your P-07 costs just as much as the SIG so... :D

After all the rounds I have through mine (just under 7K I think) the DA is really smooth. Still heavy, but lighter than what it was. I probably went from 11lbs to around 8-9. Or maybe it just smoothed out enough that it feels lighter. I really don't know. It doesn't bother me though. I can pull through it and score good hits consistently. So it's all good for me. As long as my arthritis is playing along that is. What does irritate me about the gun are two things:

1. The single action trigger. The more I shoot it the more I do crave a crisp single action. It didn't bother me at first. I don't even think I noticed it. But it does now, somewhat. It's light, but mushy and rolls through. I might grab a CGW hammer and solve this problem for $80.

2. For me, with smaller hands, the conversion for the safety is useless. Between where the lever is located and where it pivots there is no way I can get this to work for me and my hand size. And I really wanted to. My arthritis is getting bad. I had planned to switch eventually if it keeps getting worse but it's not an option. I worry this will eventually push me back to striker fired/single action guns and I really... REALLY like this gun. My joints don't though.
 
Between where the lever is located and where it pivots there is no way I can get this to work for me and my hand size.
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Same issue here. Stinks because I'd like to try one as cocked and locked but it's not going to work for me.
 
Yep. I even had a buddy add to the lever with some epoxy stuff and still... no go. I can deal with shifting my hand a little to decock but a safety carried cocked and locked? I gotta ride that out of the holster in one motion ala 1911.
 
Then I see my buddy selling his CZ P07 that's like new in the box for a good price? I think I'll take that and give it a shot for myself. I don't have much to lose.


Now, I have never been a fan of CZ. In fact, most know it's been the opposite. I've seen several fail and fall apart in classes and in just normal range use. So I never even wanted to give them the time of day. Until now....
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I am also looking at the Gen2 P07 or the P01. My experience has been the opposite of yours Constantine. I own a full size 85B that I love and it has been the most trouble free pistol I've owned.

I am going down the road towards the P07 or P01 because it is an obvious choice for me. I have held the Gen2 P07 in a couple shops and I do like it. The DA trigger is pretty much what you expect from a trigger in DA. The examples I've found have had a pretty smooth pull all the way through, though.

If night sights are something you want, you might want to go with the FDE version as it comes with them from the factory. Apparently sights are a bit hard to come by for these guns.
 
With a main spring change, you can lighten the pull easily, and a little polishing or a bunch of dry fire, smooths out a CZ trigger very well.

My 75s have very nice triggers. I don't have much experience with the P07 though, and it may require a little more to get nice.
 
Constantine: said:
...It's been years and years and it's no secret that I'm not a fan of CZ and never have been. I'm just willing to step outside the box and give them a try.
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I often shoot my CZ 75B alongside my HK P30 and these are both great pistols, but I still have to wonder why the HK sells for more than $300.00 than the CZ, this 75B is just that good. If your bud is offering you his P-07 at a good price then that might be worthwhile. Personally I'd rather get the best deal I could find on a CZ P-01 Omega, which is a fantastic pistol!
 
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