CZ P07 and P09 people...

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OhioGuy

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I'm looking for a DA/SA gun to learn the "system" with and likely e a carry gun. I've been looking at G19 sized guns for a while now, pretty much every major option. I tried the PX4 Compact and it wasn't too interesting to me. Then I held a P07 and really liked it! It fits my hand wonderfully and the controls are all where they should be, for me anyway.

So here's my question. I can't find a P07 rental anywhere, but I did rent the P09. I shot better with that gun than I think I've ever shot before. The taller frame wouldn't make much difference...so does the 1" extra length change the shooting feel that much? Or could I expect the P07 to shoot pretty much the same as its bigger sibling? The triggers felt about the same in the store. They fit my hand the same too. The bigger gun is just a bit heavier.
 
I have rented both of them but not at the same time. I was able to shoot each well. Personally I like the PCR a little better than the P07. It is shorter than the P07 and the same height as the Glock 19. Even though it has aluminum frame it weighs the same as the P07. IMO the PCR is about the best looking CZ pistol there is. The P07 is a fine pistol too and if you shot the P09 well I would expect that you would find the same with the P07.
 
P07 is a great gun... brought mine to the range the other day... forget how comfortable it was in my hand. And pretty accurate. Love the decocker on that gun
 
sigarms228 said:
I have rented both of them but not at the same time. I was able to shoot each well. Personally I like the PCR a little better than the P07. It is shorter than the P07 and the same height as the Glock 19. Even though it has aluminum frame it weighs the same as the P07. IMO the PCR is about the best looking CZ pistol there is. The P07 is a fine pistol too and if you shot the P09 well I would expect that you would find the same with the P07.
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I wasn't aware of the PCR. You're right, it's a sweet looking little beast...

I compared the P07 to the G19 in the store and the dimensions were pretty comparable. When you say "shorter" do you mean the PCR has a shorter grip height?

Looks like something I'd have to order or search for...not a likely item in the average Glock-laden gun store :)
 
My P07 is hands down my favorite DA/SA firearm of all time... and I've been issued DA/SA pistols made by Beretta and Sig (the main DA/SA competition). I've also owned a lesser known DA/SA pistol (IWI Jericho, traded it for the P07 actually), along with a CZ75B (pre-omega and sell that I regret). My P07 shoots and handles like a dream. I have not fired a P09, so I cannot comment in comparison.

I will say it is comparable to G19, size-wise, in every way except width. That ambi decocker adds a fair bit to width in an area of the pistol that you may notice while carrying it. It doesn't bother me, but YMMV.
 
They are similar to CZ75 pistols, but polymer. I shot the CZ09 pistol and liked it.

A less expensive and equally good alternative is the EAA WITNESS P (polymer) series. They are are made by Tanfoglio in Italy, who has been making CZ75-inspired pistols for a long time.

I got lightly-used 40 caliber and 45acp versions recently for $250 apiece. I like the 40 better than my friend's P09.
 
+1 for the P07. I just rented one the other day to check it out as a future carry gun (when I can find one for sale). One of the best polymer guns I've ever shot and definitely my #1 choice for a DA/SA gun. The DA trigger is very good and the SA trigger is fantastic.

If you're ever in Indy you can rent one at Indy Arms Company :)
 
5whiskey said:
My P07 is hands down my favorite DA/SA firearm of all time... and I've been issued DA/SA pistols made by Beretta and Sig (the main DA/SA competition). I've also owned a lesser known DA/SA pistol (IWI Jericho, traded it for the P07 actually), along with a CZ75B (pre-omega and sell that I regret). My P07 shoots and handles like a dream. I have not fired a P09, so I cannot comment in comparison.

I will say it is comparable to G19, size-wise, in every way except width. That ambi decocker adds a fair bit to width in an area of the pistol that you may notice while carrying it. It doesn't bother me, but YMMV.
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As long as those levers aren't riding directly beneath my belt, I don't think they will probably cause too much of an issue. But then I have never really tried it. If I have a holster that ends up having to wrap Kydex around those levers, I guess that could get pretty wide in a hurry. I would hate to get a truly awesome carry gun, only to end up not carrying it because it's too wide but I don't realize that until long after I bought it.

Does that extra with affect conceal ability much? A Glock 19 size gun isn't exactly small to begin with, and I carry in the appendix position where my shirt is loosest and usually covers up just about everything. If I carry under just a t-shirt, I have a much smaller single stack that I am likely going to carry.

And speaking of single stack, the new Springfield XDe hammer gun seems to be a very thin alternative to other similar Hammer guns. It's a very Hefty, heavy gun for carrying only nine rounds, but it is only 1 inch thick.
 
OhioGuy said:
I wasn't aware of the PCR. You're right, it's a sweet looking little beast...

I compared the P07 to the G19 in the store and the dimensions were pretty comparable. When you say "shorter" do you mean the PCR has a shorter grip height?

Looks like something I'd have to order or search for...not a likely item in the average Glock-laden gun store :)
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The CZ PCR is the same height at the Glock 19 while the P07 is .3 inch taller. You lose 1 round capacity to 14 with the PCR (and the P01). The grip on the PCR might be a little shorter than the PCR but if it is a problem you can get a base plate for PCR magazine that adds about .2 inches to the grip length.

Another option you may want to look at for CCW is HK hammer fired LEM. I like DA/SA and I can shoot DA very well two hand support but accuracy goes down significantly for me strong hand only shooting DA. In a CCW situation there is a fairly high probability one may need to shoot strong hand only. I love my P30SK LEM as a hammer fired option for CCW. I CCW mine with 13 round magazine and X-Grip magazine extender. HK will be releasing 13 and 15 round magazines for the P30SK shortly.
 
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sigarms228 said:
I have rented both of them but not at the same time. I was able to shoot each well. Personally I like the PCR a little better than the P07. It is shorter than the P07 and the same height as the Glock 19. Even though it has aluminum frame it weighs the same as the P07. IMO the PCR is about the best looking CZ pistol there is. The P07 is a fine pistol too and if you shot the P09 well I would expect that you would find the same with the P07.
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A CZ-75D PCR has been my main carry gun for 17 years. None better IMHO. I'm just not a polymer guy, but have read good things about the 07, 09, and 10c.
 
Does that extra with affect conceal ability much? A Glock 19 size gun isn't exactly small to begin with, and I carry in the appendix position where my shirt is loosest and usually covers up just about everything. If I carry under just a t-shirt, I have a much smaller single stack that I am likely going to carry.
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I guess the question is relative to my thoughts on CCW to begin with. Do I believe it really effects concealability a bunch? No, not really. Personally, for me, if I'm carrying my P07 it is either 1: Winter with layered clothing that allows for easy concealment, or 2: I don't care so much if I print or my shirt rides up. The same would apply with any similar sized firearm. When it absolutely must remain concealed and undetected, I have a Kahr that I depend on.

Others may think differently, but I'm not super concerned over "printing" or if my shirt rides up and the grip peeks out most times.
 
The P-07 is a great carry gun. The PCR is even better. Get the Ultra-Lite kit from Cajun Gun Works to reduce the DA to 8lbs and you have yourself the best carry gun available IMO.
 
I have a question about trigger reset on this gun.

One thing I've become used to on the more recent striker guns (esp. Walther, and now the latest Smith and Glock variants too) is a very audible and tactile reset on the trigger. On my PPQ, I think everyone at the range can hear it reset :) That makes it very easy to "ride the reset."

On the P07/P09 I had a hard time discerning where the reset was. I've been told that riding the reset is a good way to transition from DA to SA, so you don't move your finger out too far and then slap it back on the 2nd shot, but I didn't get nearly the feedback from the gun that I feel on a striker gun.

Is there a reason why the strikers seem to have such positive resets? Or was I just not properly attuned to the P07?
 
Is there a reason why the strikers seem to have such positive resets? Or was I just not properly attuned to the P07?
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I think really more of the latter. I can hear the reset on my P07 just fine, even with ear pro. Now with other shooters on the range, maybe not so much. I can feel the reset as well, but it isn't a pronounced "snap" like you encounter with Glock firearms (I am familiar with Glock, not with the PPQ). I don't have an issue finding the reset while shooting. I will say that the reset is long for a DA/SA gun. Not so long that I fear short-stroking it (ala Kahr triggers), but it does seem to take FOREVER to get to trigger reset and is mildly annoying. I will say I notice the perceived annoyances WAY MORE in dry fire and barely (if at all) notice them when actually shooting the gun. That being said, I will be looking at a CGW short reset kit eventually.
 
CZs and most factory hammer fired pistols have a pretty long reset. SIG SRT would be an exception. Even my basic CZ SP01 Shadow has a pretty long reset compared to my Walther PPQ.

I never listen for the click or feel of the reset. For years I shot almost only classic P series SIGs, which I still dearly love, and they all have a fairly long reset. I let the trigger out a fair amount between shots since I shoot a variety of pistols and that will help prevent short stroking. If I dedicated myself to a single pistol type I could train myself for muscle memory to let the trigger out just past the reset for each shot but I am not interested in doing that as I love shooting a variety of pistols.

FWIW, in a self defense situation you will never hear the click of the reset because you will be deaf from the first gun blast fired and you most likely will not be taking the time to try and feel the reset in a live or die stress situation.
 
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sigarms228 said:
CZs and most factory hammer fired pistols have a pretty long reset. SIG SRT would be an exception. Even my basic CZ SP01 Shadow has a pretty long reset compared to my Walther PPQ.
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Some of the CZ single-action models (with adjustable triggers) have short resets, as do guns modified by the CZ Custom Shop, or Cajun Gun Works. Other DA/SA guns do tend to have longer resets than the best striker-fired guns.
 
I had a chance to try another P07, in a store anyway. This time I did notice the reset much more distinctly. It's a little long, but only compared to guns I've shot that are known for having short resets.

I have to say, that P07 fits my hand like it was made for it. I wouldn't have guessed, from how blocky it appears, but it actually fits my hand better than the contoured grips of guns like Walther and HK.

I think I've found my next gun! Then I just have to learn to shoot DA/SA properly :)
 
Both models I've seen in the store come with phosphorescent sights on them.

Do all P07s have these? My first step would be to cover the dots on the rear sight (I prefer just solid black rear sights), but I'd prefer to have a much brighter white dot on the front. The glow-in-the-dark sights aren't as visible in good lighting as are white dots.
 
^in that case why not go with a fiber optic front and a black rear? Dawson Precision, Cajun Gunworks, and CZ Custom all sell a version for the P-07/P-09.


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