CZ P-10C

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Ride Madone

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Picked up my P-10C yesterday and took it to the range today. I put about 300 rounds through it and did not have any issues. I took my Glock 19 for a side by side comparison and much preferred the CZ to the Glock. Now, for fairness sake, I must admit I hate Glocks, but figure everyone (including me) should own a Glock 19.

The CZ has a nice trigger, which is probably 50% better than the glock in my opinion. I am not sure it lives up to the hype, because the trigger is better on my PPQ and VP9, but it is still a nice trigger. Recoil was about the same, both being very nice for a compact handgun. The sights are better on my Glock, but I have Truglo TFX's on my Glock and stock sights on the CZ. If i had stock sights on both, the sights would be better on the CZ.

The grip angle and feel of the grip are FAR better on the CZ, but the grip angle is one of my major complaints on the Glock, so that is no surprize. If you use the slide lock to release the slide, the CZ is a major pain in the butt. the slide lock is very difficult to operate and required two thumbs at times as it is very stiff. As I mentioned above the CZ was very reliable, but I probably have 3000 rounds through my Glock 19 and have not had any issues, so until I fire more rounds through it, I have to call the Glock the winner in reliability.

I weighed both and the Glock was a little lighter. The CZ weighed in at 25.74 ounces with an empty mag and the Glock weighted 24.06. From the tip of the barrel to the back of the gun, the Glock is about a 10th of an inch shorter and the top of the gun to the end of the magazine, the Glock is about an 8th of an inch shorter. These amounts are miniscule, but the Glock is a tiny bit smaller so it wins the size war.

Overall I shot the CZ better and my groups were smaller with the CZ when compared to the Glock. I generally practice at 10 yards and was able to fire more quickly with the CZ and still maintain tighter groups. I have never been particularly accurate with the Glock, but I also rarely fire terrible groups with it. I found I was able to keep my groups close to what I am able to do with my PPQ when shooting the CZ P-10C.

I could go on and on, but lets just say I like this gun. I am not sure why anyone would pick a Glock 19 over the P-10C, but Glock fans are Glock fans and I don't think my review will change any minds. After 1000 rounds or so maybe I will post an update to let you know the gun is doing. As for now, I think I will start using the CZ P-10C as my daily carry gun. I trust it completely and like the way it shoots, so what the heck.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask..
 
I took my Glock 19 for a side by side comparison and much preferred the CZ to the Glock. Now, for fairness sake, I must admit I hate Glocks, but figure everyone (including me) should own a Glock 19.
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Well you're honest I'll give you that. Not sure if it makes the rest of the comparison particularly meaningful at that point, but I see that you did try to be objective. Enjoy the pistol and update as you go.
 
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I am not sure why anyone would pick a Glock 19 over the P-10C, but Glock fans are Glock fans
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I own PPQ, VP9, and Gen 2 Glock 19. I tried the P-10C and it is a nice pistol but not nice enough for me to buy one or choose it over my PPQ, VP9, or even my Glock 19. Being that my Glock 19 is my only Glock I am not sure if I qualify as a "Glock fan" or not.
 
I loved my PPQ, but recently started having malfunctions so I stopped using it for CC. I sent the gun back to Walther, but I am still having malfunctions. If I was not having issues, I would probably still be using the PPQ, but I do like the P-10C.


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Glad your new P-10C is working out for you.

Too bad you are having issues with your PPQ still. About how many rounds did you have through it when the problem started and what problem are you having with it? I must have close to 3000 through mine now though I don't carry it much any more since getting my PPS in summer of 2015.
 
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Thanks for the review. I love my G19, but the P-10C has certainly caught my attention. I look forward to the 1000-rd update.
 
My PPQ on about one or two rounds per magazine does not go fully into battery. Had a friend fire it and it did the same thing for him. Walther of course could nor duplicate the problem. A guy at the range mentioned my recoil spring may be worn out. About 3000 rounds through the gun so I guess it is possible. If I knew where to buy an OEM guide rod I would, but I can't seem to find one anywhere.


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I like the P10c but it does feel like a bit of a redundancy in the market. I anticipate that it will be a niche gun in the long run and most CZ fans will stick to the hammer fired guns. Time will tell though.

Nice trigger for sure, but being a bit overhype's IMO. I am with the crowd that says the PPQ still reigns supreme for striker fired triggers.
 
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My PPQ on about one or two rounds per magazine does not go fully into battery. Had a friend fire it and it did the same thing for him. Walther of course could nor duplicate the problem. A guy at the range mentioned my recoil spring may be worn out. About 3000 rounds through the gun so I guess it is possible. If I knew where to buy an OEM guide rod I would, but I can't seem to find one anywhere.
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You will need to get the recoil spring assembly directly from Walther.

http://www.waltherarms.com/contact-us/

I would also try a different magazine, different ammo (factory fresh brass cased Federal American Eagle, Speer Lawman, etc), and a good clean and lube (lube including the entire length of each slide rail where they ride on the frame steel inserts and the exterior of the barrel) if you have not tried those yet.

Another good source for advice would be the Walther Forum in the PPQ sub forum. Some pretty helpful people there too with a lot of experience with the PPQ.

http://www.waltherforums.com/forum/
 
No....everyone shouldn't own a G19, where does the idea that everyone must buy a glock come from? It's not a requirement.
 
I wouldn't own a Glock. Garbage sights, garbage trigger, garbage grip. But I would like a CZ P10C.

That said, I had the same OOB issue with my PPQ recently after about 2-3K rounds. Took the slide apart and ran it through an ultrasonic cleaner. Too early to tell yet but after 200 rounds have not had a recurrence of the problem FWIW.
 
I have to use Glock at work - I won't own one. Personal preference. I qualify Expert or Distinguished Expert every year with the G-19, so it's not that I don't know how to use 'em - I just don't like 'em.
I do have a CZ P-10C and it's teething it's way out of infancy. :) In 300 rounds I had one FTF which I am 95% certain was my reload. The first time the checkering didn't bother me one bit, the second time it did for some odd reason. The gun just wants to run and run - the trigger rest is incredible. Been working on the mag release at home and it is MUCh better. The slide stop is exactly that - a slide stop, and it is in line with what's being taught in our Academy today, don't use the slide stop as a slide release, go over the top weak hand. I would bet the new Cajun Gun Works package will address the few issues I've seen.

Thanks for the writeup, Ride, appreciate it.
 
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The P10c is a nice pistol. To me, however, it really screams "me too!" more so than many other newer striker fired pistols. What really says this to me is how it was designed to fit G19 holsters and their cheeky slogan. Puts a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. On top of this, I really don't like the Mag release button. It feels extremely cheap to me.

I do like the grip texture and shape and it seems like a sturdy design overall, but it doesn't feel like it brings much to the table to me compared to other newer striker fired designs like the APX, 509, P320, etc...

So for me, the biggest problem with trying to buy a P10c is that I would have a hard time not just taking that $499.99 and putting it toward a P-01 instead rather than adding a redundant gun to my collection.
 
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I like the P10c but it does feel like a bit of a redundancy in the market. I anticipate that it will be a niche gun in the long run and most CZ fans will stick to the hammer fired guns. Time will tell though.
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Quite a few guns work well in Glock holsters. CZ just had the good sense to make it known -- thereby speeding up potential purchases.

The P10c will be a niche gun? You're almost describing the remaining hammer-fired, all-metal guns! As for redundancy -- your comment (concern?) seems to have flown over the heads of Smith & Wesson, H&K, SIG, etc. It's not redundancy -- it's the way the market is moving. The P10c trigger and reset have already gained a great reputation -- not something that can be claimed for the Glock line of guns (unless you're willing to spend an extra $100-$300 for a new trigger system. I've done that with several Glocks.)

IMightBeWrong said:
The P10c is a nice pistol. To me, however, it really screams "me too!" more so than many other newer striker fired pistols. What really says this to me is how it was designed to fit G19 holsters and their cheeky slogan. Puts a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. On top of this, I really don't like the Mag release button. It feels extremely cheap to me.

I do like the grip texture and shape and it seems like a sturdy design overall, but it doesn't feel like it brings much to the table to me compared to other newer striker fired designs like the APX, 509, P320, etc.
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Everything since the VP70, the first polymer-framed semi-auto, has been a version of "me too!" -- and everything since the Glock 17, has been more of the same, but Glock had a better marketing approach.

  • A GrayGuns-tuned P320 might be an interesting gun (and GG is now offering a DIY trigger kit).
  • The FN-509 has some potential -- I have two FNS-40s, and the 509 is an improved FNS -- and APEX will be developing an improved trigger for the 509 and FNS line. (The FN-509 might be pretty tough competition for the P10c, though... as the price is likely to be a bit less than the P10c. FNH is a great company with a long, well-established heritage, but even less well-known than CZ for most folks in the U.S., and it will likely take FNH a long time to really penetrate the U.S. handgun market.)
  • The H&K VPs are much nicer than any of the Glocks.
  • The older Ruger SR9 and SR9c are pretty good guns, too. (I've owned both, and carry an SR9c from time to time.)
But, until you spend quite a bit of extra money, you probably won't find anything that offers you better value. In the meantime, a lot of folks who have come to appreciate CZs (but aren't tied to a hammer-fired design) will give the new P10c a try. As will the many folks who prefer striker-fired guns over hammer-fired guns. (While I've been a long-time CZ enthusiast, I much prefer striker-fired guns.)

As for a P-01... it's a great gun -- but I don't like decocker-guns, and because of that never sought a P-01. I did have a CZ Compact. Had CZ offered an alloy Compact (i.e., safety-equipped) model back then, I'd probably still have one... The P-07 is a good alternative, and I have one of them.

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Quite a few guns work well in Glock holsters.
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From what I've seen in reviews the P10-C works in a number of the more generic holsters, but any that are formed to a Glock in the Kydex don't seem to accept the pistol. That's fair but makes it of limited use to me personally. Frankly a decent holster I often buy is $50 or so. If I like a pistol I'll spend another $50 as that's nothing compared to the cost of the ammo I shoot.

The P10c trigger and reset have already gained a great reputation -- not something that can be claimed for the Glock line of guns (unless you're willing to spend an extra $100-$300 for a new trigger system. I've done that with several Glocks.)
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The Walther PPQ had this reputation a while ago. To me I don't find the trigger or reset on a Glock to be a hindrance to my shooting, for others YMMV.

I have no issue with CZ offering a new product. More power to them.
 
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Another 100 rounds through the PPQ after ultrasonic with no malfunctions. That's 300 now.

But since this is a CZ thread... I'm looking forward to some "CZ Perfection". :D
 
TunnelRat said:
From what I've seen in reviews the P10-C works in a number of the more generic holsters, but any that are formed to a Glock in the Kydex don't seem to accept the pistol.
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Which is why I bought a Harbor Freight heat gun some years ago... You'd be surprised how easily a kydex holster can be tweaked or altered to work with other guns.

You just have to be careful and not overdo it. (Especially if the holster has any press-to-release gimmicks.) Heat it up a bit in the tight areas, and then push the gun into the holster and let it cool. (It may be difficult at first... but in 10 minutes or so you'll have a good holster.)

(I say this but I've not done this with one that's really THICK kydex...)

If you can't find a holster for a new gun, a close fit and a heat gun is a good option.
 
I hear you and I have a heat gun that I've used to adjust the retention on some fully kydex holsters. But frankly I'd rather just buy a new holster personally than mold an existing one, unless I had something sitting around.
 
I'd rather just buy a new holster, too, if one was available. When I got my first CZ, back in the late 1990s, I found that the Beretta 92 holster was an almost perfect match. But, sometimes you've just gotta do what you've got to do...
 
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