CZ P-09 frame cracking

I don't recall that it said "duty" on it anywhere. It sat at my friend's LGS for quite a while before I made him an offer on it.
 
I did the math.

One round every 7.2 seconds, non-stop would fire 2000 rounds in 4 hours.

At Mag Warehouse they want $35, so buying 30 magazines would be $1050.00. Those 30 19-round magazines would contain only 570 rounds. The full count of 50 magazines would contain 950.

I'm trying to be gentle in my words, since this is TFL, but this story has an element of fishiness.

On the other hand, we should appreciate such dedication to practice. My old arms would never hold up to so many rounds in such a short time.

Bart Noir
 
I personally don't see myself investing $1050-$1750 in magazines for each pistol. I get training. I'm at 17 courses currently in 3.5 years with the 18th next month at 2 days and hopefully a 3 day course in September if I can get around work. That said I have typically 5 mags for training for each pistol and another 3 I use for carry. Even in full day courses I don't get the point in tens of magazines. Every course allots time for reloading and even if you don't need to reload you're still going to be sitting/waiting for others to do so. I also don't see reloading as wasted time. I use it to think on my recent performance, write down notes for later, consider the drills I'm about to do, and heck talk to the people around me, from whom I often learn a lot (socializing is nice too).

In full day courses even with reloading 5 mags the great majority of my time is still spent on the line or going over material, not reloading. If I had more disposable income I still don't think I would have that many magazines because frankly storing all of that would be a pain for me and honestly it doesn't take me that long to reload a magazine. And while I understand the importance of repetition and building muscle memory (or developing neural pathways), I do think some courses go to certain round counts more for advertising than actual benefit. You can get more repetitions in after the course is over. I'd rather see students fully understand the why and how behind the technique, and that doesn't always mean pressing triggers. At a point you also start fighting your own muscle fatigue and can potentially ingrain the technique poorly as a result.

I'm still inclined to believe the OP's story even if my own methods are different. Maybe his disposable income is just greater than mine, and if so great. I hope to hear how it goes for his pistol.
 
TunnelRat said:
I personally don't see myself investing $1050-$1750 in magazines for each pistol.
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I understand, but I think the point of that example was, put simply, that you can't shoot that many (maybe 2000) rounds in 3-4 hours without a bunch of pre-loaded mags handy, or a friend nearby who does nothing but load a bunch of mags for you while you're firing away! That friend would have to be pretty "handy" -- as loading mags can take about as long or longer than unloading them, and the mag-loader would probably tire sooner than the shooter. :)
 
Bart noir. I understand you not understanding. Yes the mags are not cheep a lot more then my 12 dollar glock mags. But I have 8 Dillon 1050's that keep up with my shooting. Just 2 dedicated to 9mm. I spend a lot on my stuff. I found I could not train the way I want with out reloading for myself and others. I try to have a momma don't know fund. That allows me not to spend any money out of the marriage fund.
 
I understand, but I think the point of that example was, put simply, that you can't shoot that many (maybe 2000) rounds in 3-4 hours without a bunch of pre-loaded mags handy, or a friend nearby who does nothing but load a bunch of mags for you while you're firing away!
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I'm aware of that.
 
"CZ -USA P-09 Duty Factory Specs and Info - CZ-USA …"
cz-usa.com/product/cz-p-09-9mm-black-polymer-19-rd-mags
but then does call it Duty

Either way, I believe the 09 was updated with the 07 update.
 
The only uses of the word Duty on that page are in the comments.

There may have been a P-09 Duty at some point, but I don't remember it in the US as the P-09 Duty. I do get a bunch of hits for a CO2 P-09 Duty.
 
P-09 was called the Duty prior to it actually arriving, IIRC. Mine is one of the first ones and I don't recall it saying DUTY anywhere on it. Don't have it right in front of me at this moment.
I do have to say I watched the MAC episode where he fired 1000 rounds through a Sig 320 and he wore out both trigger fingers pretty quick, but with two guys helping to load the 25 magazines he had he was able to complete 1000 rounds in about 20 minutes, IIRC. He also did a temp gun check of the sidearm and the trigger was registering 200 degrees and the barrel 390 degrees.
I go through maybe 100-200 rounds at a time when I hit the line. I load with a single stage and cast my own, so I like to make them count!
Back to the OP - I would very much like to hear what CZ has to say about this one, hopefully they will cover it under warranty. I will also check mine for cracks when I get home, but my handloads are pretty mild, normally.
 
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