CZ 75 grip vs BHP Grip.

I'm female and would say my hands are medium sized for a woman. And I have a CZ 75B and love everything about it. Admittedly mine is SA and I'm about to sell a Ruger SP101 over the double action pull.
 
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The BHP is a great gun for smaller hands but the 75B is not. It has more to do with the trigger curve than the grip.
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I have to agree as well. The BHP fits my hand well. A stock 75B is a bit of a reach. I wear exactly a medium sized glove. If I had bigger hands it would be a non-issue.

One thing I like to recommend is that if you do get a CZ and would like it a bit slimmer, check out the VZ grips. They look great and make a big difference in trigger reach.
 
The CZ Compact has the same length of grip as the BHP, the full size CZ is approximately a 3/8" longer. If you put a full size slide and barrel on the Compact it has the same silhouette as the BHP.
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^^^^^^This. I have swapped my full size 75B slide onto my 75D PCR (lightweight alloy, compact), and it closely resembles the look, and balance of my BHP. I see no reason to do this, as the PCR shoots superbly with its shorter slide. It was still interesting to see though, and the PCR, and other CZ metal frame compacts hold 14 + 1 with factory mags. Mec-Gars may hold more.
 
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I'd say there's as much grip space (trigger guard to magazine plate) on one as the other with the Pcr a small bit shorter, but the CZ75 Pcr is just a hair longer, front strap to back strap.

Trigger reach is different. The CZ at half cock is 3.043" with the slack still in the trigger, and with the slack out is 2.78." With small hands it's pretty nice in single action.

IIRC, the full-size CZ75 is 5.5" tall or thereabouts and the Pcr is 5.0, so the grip should be about a half-inch longer in the full-size.
 
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Are the 75 Tactical Sports a rarity? For the price the gun is pretty sensational considering it's built for ISPC. I never see them, hell can't hardly find videos of them. Though i can honestly say if i can get back in to USPSA steadily i'd pick one up.

Also question for the guys having fired both the DA/SA and the SA only C75s. When comparing the SA pull of the DA/SA gun to the SA pull of the SA only gun, does the SA only have less take up/travel?

This might come off as shallow but i love the SP01 rail look or the square look the rail adds. I'm thankful that railroader showed the link of the SA shadow still in stock but if the trigger pull between the two isn't all that much different i'd probably stick with the standard SP01 in 9mm just to save money. Of the only 75 that i've pulled the SA stage felt identical to most striker designs i've pulled. A little takeup then a nice break.

Think i might have found my solution...:rolleyes:
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If you decide to go with the SP0-1 go with the shadow version. The shadows don't have a firing pin block. If you you use the straight single action trigger you can adjust all the pre and over travel out of the pull. On the B models it's going to have more takeup because the firing pin block lever has to reset. On the link for the Shadow SA pistol I posted, that gun has a trigger that is only adjustable for overtravel. With a straight trigger that gun is really nice. If you are interested in a DA/SA shadow you can put in a short reset disconnector which will remove most of the takeup single action. I have those disconnectors in my SP-01 and standard shadows.
 
Also question for the guys having fired both the DA/SA and the SA only C75s. When comparing the SA pull of the DA/SA gun to the SA pull of the SA only gun, does the SA only have less take up/travel?
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The takeup on the SA models can be adjusted out/greatly reduced if you get the two-way adjustable trigger. (A good bit of takeup is required for DA function; that's not necessary with a SAO CZ.)

With the right tuning and after-market parts, the SA trigger can be very close to the best 1911 triggers.
 
With the right tuning and after-market parts, the SA trigger can be very close to the best 1911 triggers.
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With the right tuning a 75B SAO can be very close to an avg 1911 trigger. Even the best 75B SAO trigger is no where near the "best" 1911 triggers. Completely different design and different outcomes due to the differences.

You can have a great trigger on a 75B DA/SA or a 75B SAO but lets not over state things. :cool:
 
Maybe you just haven't been exposed to the very best CZ triggers... Or maybe our appreciation of what comprises a good trigger just differs.

(And your definition and appreciation of an "average" 1911 trigger may differ from mine.)

But, I'll agree -- it's not a 1911 trigger. Neither is a SIG P-210, or P-226 X Five, but they can be very, very good, too. (I've owned and shot both.)
 
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Maybe you just haven't been exposed to the very best CZ triggers... Or maybe our appreciation of what comprises a good trigger just differs.

(And your definition and appreciation of an "average" 1911 trigger may differ from mine.)

But, I'll agree -- it's not a 1911 trigger. Neither is a SIG P-210, or P-226 X Five, but they can be very, very good, too. (I've owned and shot both.)
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I have been exposed to some of the best 75B triggers and some of the best 1911 triggers so no need to attempt to disparage my comments by attacking me not what I said. I know what a good trigger is and own or have owned some of the best, Gray Guns Sigs, custom BHP, CZ Custom 75 etc... but unlike you I did not feel the need to display it in order to have my post taken seriously. LOL

My point is that it is not a proper comparison. They are very different triggers and will have a very different feel. Yes preferences will come into play because there is always a subjective aspect to the any assessment. There is a reason why you compared the best 75 trigger to a 1911. Its because the 1911 is the standard for handgun triggers.

My definition of an avg 1911 trigger is taking a NIB stock Colt 1911 out of the box cleaning up the action a bit with a basic trigger job which can be done by thousands of everyday smiths around the country without replacing any parts. The same process can be done with almost any 1911 even down to something like a RIA although the softer parts there might not hold the trigger job as long.

A high end trigger job on a 1911 is something you would have done by guns like Don Williams, Jim West, Ted Yost, John Harrison, Wilson, Novak etc... where each and every part was fitted properly to the pistol. Or have a pistol built from the ground up by people like Wilson, Les Baer, C&S, Gun Crafter etc...

The second set are when you are talking about the "best" 1911 triggers. Which is why your comments caught my attention. Your statement is IMHO misleading. That was the point of my comment, nothing more.
 
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I have been exposed to some of the best 75B triggers and some of the best 1911 triggers so no need to attempt to disparage my comments by attacking me not what I said.
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Saying I had OVERSTATED isn't a disparaging remark? (Disparage: to depreciate by indirect means.) I've owned some of those same guns, too. Still have a Gray Guns SIG.

I'll concede that the very best 1911 triggers, from the top custom 1911 makers, are in a class by themselves. But, I really wasn't thinking about $3000 - $5000 guns when I wrote that. I was thinking more about guns a tad less expensive and more commonly owned by folks participating here. My error.

That said, your definition of an average 1911 trigger -- taking a NIB stock Colt 1911 out of the box cleaning up the action a bit with a basic trigger job -- probably isn't what most folks would consider an average 1911 trigger. A Colt, Kimber, Ruger, Remington, Springfield, STI, or SIG, etc., straight out of the box would be what many would consider an average 1911 trigger.

I doubt that most folks reading my words that said "Maybe you just haven't been exposed to the very best CZ triggers... Or maybe our appreciation of what comprises a good trigger just differs" would consider those words a personal attack. I didn't mean to give offense; sorry you felt I did.
 
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So apparently i didn't realize that there are factory shadows that are regular production guns from CZ then there are the ones coming from the custom shop. Was curious as to how this one was 880$ Seemed like a steal compared to the other shadows.

http://czcustom.com/CZ-75-SP01-SHADOW-PolyCoat-9mm.aspx

Though i imagine sticking with a regular SP01 turning it SA only is what i'd be set on.
 
At one time I was told that the Shadows and several other models were all modified (i.e., made) by the CZ Custom Shop from base guns after they made it to the U.S., and then were put into the distribution channel. And then there were also even more-special models that got EXTRA work. Those have always been on the CZ Custom Shop website.

That was the case several years ago, but things may have changed since then. I think the CZ Custom Shop is a pretty big operation, however.
 
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That's pretty much the extent of what my friend told me that shoots a shadow. His shooting team is also sponsored by Cz as well. I would probably pay 880$ for an untouched sp01 shadow. Though I'm unsure if just getting a vanilla sp01 and turning it SA only with some trigger tuning wouldn't be cheaper. Plus I'd rather put straight eight sights on it than comp fiber optics since I honestly do not plan to shoot production.
 
So apparently i didn't realize that there are factory shadows that are regular production guns from CZ then there are the ones coming from the custom shop. Was curious as to how this one was 880$ Seemed like a steal compared to the other shadows.

http://czcustom.com/CZ-75-SP01-SHADOW-PolyCoat-9mm.aspx

Though i imagine sticking with a regular SP01 turning it SA only is what i'd be set on
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I have that shadow. The thing with the shadow it has better safeties, sights, a semi competition hammer and no FPB. These are upgrades over a standard SP-01. I also have a tricked out 75sa which shoots great but I wound up adding a couple hundred in parts to get it there and I removed the FPB.
 
Wonder if picking up that SP01 shadow and dropping the SA trigger and converting it would be easier than the vanilla sp01? That particular shadow just has the additional upgrades over the regular SP01 right? No actual smithing work such as a better trigger than a regular SP01?

Either way i'm settled between those two. Honestly it will probably come down to availability, leaning towards the shadow, like the idea of the upgrades and 3 mags.

Found people reducing the TS grip to make it similar to a standard 75 grip. Thought this pair was lovely. Open rigged SP01 up top and below a TS that has had the frame reduced and some slide modifications. Should've made a thread titled CZ 75 discussion. I keep trailing off from the original topic lol

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If you were to just only convert a Sp-01 shadow and a Sp-01 to SAO the process is the same. The difference when you get done is the shadow will have a better trigger pull. The shadow has a better hammer and you can remove the takeup in the trigger pull with trigger adjustments.
 
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