CZ-527 7.62x39mm Accuracy?

The CZ 527 is a really nice platform. I preferred to purchase a .223 American when I got mine and it will shoot MOA at 100 yards from the bench if I do my part. As for 7.62x39 I shoot a CZ VZ58. It will digest steel cased ammo as well as brass and does a decent job of hitting a man sized target center of mass every time I pull the trigger at 100-200 yards. As for a hunting round in 30 cal I prefer 7.62x51 and it's fired from a CZ 550. Another fine rifle. While I have .308s in semi autos I enjoy shooting the scoped 550. I'm sure the 527 in 7.62x39 can be made to group very well using hand loads, or premium factory ammo, but the steel cased Russian fodder won't give you what you're you're looking for. JMHO
 
Huh... well.

I think I'll pass on this gun.

If all I'm going to get is Mosin Nagant level accuracy when using steel cased stuff, I'd rather just shoot my M44 or M38 carbine. Same capacity, about the same length as this.
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I think this is a good decision, based on requirement that it must be accurate with certain low end ammo and advise received here. And the topper is you have several guns already shooting poorly with this ammo.

I would not have any concerns regarding cz bore diameter. For 762x39, the diameter is 311 and cz will be 311. Just because some American companies play games with the diameter, do not brand the European gun or ammo suppliers as that stupid. Or Chinese. The rest of the world understands what 762x39 means. The QC for some, may leave a lot to be desired - get what you pay for there.

There are a lot of shooters around the internet, very pleased with 527, even in 762x39. Maybe Fiocci can load it right. I read a reports of both Winchester and Remington used wrong diameter bullets.
 
The Ruger Mini-30 has the same issue - bore diameter doesn't match comblock ammo. If you don't like shooting expensive brass cased US made 7.62x39 pass on these rifles.

Above Edited: Drawing a blank on their bore diameter right now...

Here's 3 shot 100yd group from one of my home built Romanian G AKM's from a few years ago. This was shot using iron sights from a sandbag rest using Golden Tiger 124grn FMJ.

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So what about the claims fromn CZ that the gun has a .311 bore diameter, and is made to shoot steel foreign stuff and NOT brass cased Amdrican stuff?? Just marketing lies?
 
I think your expectation of getting sub MOA groups from any rifle shooting the cheapest, dirtiest, worst ammo on the market is a bit jaded.

There are many many reports of these rifles being able to shoot slightly over MOA using steel cased ammo. I know a guy who shoots nothing but steel cased ammo in his and gets MOA groups. But, even at 1.5 MOA that translates to dead deer/hog at any range within the cartridge's capabilities (0-250/300 yards). If you want to shoot bug holes, buy a bench rest rifle.

For me, I wanted a light, compact, easily maneuverable rifle that I could carry all day through the woods without fatigue, and still be able to drop a deer/hog if the opportunity presented itself.

I will buy some cheap steel cased ammo for mine, shoot from the bench for accuracy and see what kind of groups I can get. I will not be surprised if I get at or below MOA.
 
Okay... so if I buy a NEW CZ-527 in 7.62x39mm I can expect it to shoot 1-2 MOA with cheap steel cased stuff off the bench? What will it do with something like Hornady Steel Match or Lapua brass cased ammo? Will it shoot better?

I am NOT a reloaded, and have no intentions of reloading at this time. If I do buy this rifle, I want to hit what I'm aiming at and will be using commercial stuff ONLY.

Please help me out guys, I'm getting a lot of mixed signals here!
 
I think it's safe to say the x39 is a 3/4 to 2 MOA rifle depending on ammo.

Keep in mind the x39 cartridge was never designed for exceptional accuracy. If you have any hope of achieving MOA, it'll be in the CZ, SKS or VEPR.

Also note the effective hunting range is 200 yards or less. If you get 1 MOA, a 2" spread is to be expected, more than enough for whatever you aim at.
 
Sounds good. Maybe Armoredman just can't shoot. :p

I think I'll get this rifle in a week or so. I want to get the right scope and rings for it too, and a sling, before my hog hunt late in the month. Obviously want to get it sighted in to.
 
The 527 comes with cz high rings. They are pretty good,although for best fit with a lower power vaiable I went with Warne medium. Something like a 3-9 compact/ultrlight or 2-7 seems both a good fit and appropriate magnifcation.

BTW, anyone claiming the 527 carbine is 2moa gun is flat out wrong. I have one and it is better than 1 moa. Ok, only ever tested one load and got 1moa and called it all I needed for a walk around hunting gun. That is in 223. I have no idea what you can expect with low grade russian ammo, nor can I account for any reports beyond my own experience.

As for what the 527 varmint can do, same quality action and heavier barrel, same 223, easy 1/2 moa in my gun and only tested 4 loads to date. Again, I really dont need any more than that. The worse load was 1 moa, so accuracy varies 100% even with hi quality hunting/varmint ammo.
 
No CZ, but.....

I do not have a CZ bolt x39mm rifle, but I do have a Ruger 77MkII so chambered. And I am quite fond of that little rifle (20" lightweight barrel and boat paddle stock) and have worked with it quite a bit. It's also killed the biggest whitetail I am ever likely to take. Bore diameter (.311 v. .308) aside, a tidy bolt rifle, chambered in a moderately powerful cartridge, easy to shoot for all levels of experience, yet sufficeint to cleanly take whitetails and hogs (what most of us only get to hunt), cheaply and commonly availabable, is a very useful item.

I'm always surprised by how unpopular this combo tends to be. A useful trainer, they are a great step up from a .22lr. And I am of the firm belief that the x39mm .30 cal, 125gr slug, (or heavier) is a far better choice for medium game than a .223, and the bolt rifle a better choice for the beginner than any AR. True, a .243 is more versatile, but not as cheap to shoot. MOst bolt rifles in x39mm are light, handy, and not a bad choice for anybody hunting woody places where shots come under 100 yds.

I'd say quite assuredly that the issue with accuracy in most firearms chambered in 7.62x39mm is not the rifle, but the wide range of ammo quality. And I'll also claim that 2-3 MOA is not as useless a degree of accuracy as we tend to go on about these days, at least when used for deer - hogs, and practice out to rounds effective range, say 150 yards +/-.

REgards ammo choice, as both my quality x39 rifles are bored .308, I cannot give a factual account of accuracy in .311 rifles. But were I looking for an accurate factory round, I'd check out Hornady steel case witht the SST, and anything from Lapua. Quality contro there, and components, have got to be better than any import, com bloc bulk ammo.
 
Sounds good. Maybe Armoredman just can't shoot.
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I look forward to your pictures and videos showing your excellent technique, sir!:cool:
It is a most excellent carbine, even for blind fat old men like me who can't shoot straight.:p
 
REgards ammo choice, as both my quality x39 rifles are bored .308, I cannot give a factual account of accuracy in .311 rifles. But were I looking for an accurate factory round, I'd check out Hornady steel case witht the SST, and anything from Lapua. Quality contro there, and components, have got to be better than any import, com bloc bulk ammo.
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This kinda goes one good step beyond pet peeve with me. Not The posting quoted, but the American companies doing this 308 garbage.

Question. Is the Ruger 77 one of those quality rifles in .308? And if so, it is clearly labeled with bore diameter on the barrel? Does the owners manual explain the rest of the world loads real 762x39 with .311 bullets? (I am confused even here, is it 310 or 311? A round off error?)

Ruger, or who ever builds a rifle or loads ammo should clearly label the gun as different, ie: 308x39. This is a wildcat. Similar to necking down 308 to make a 7mm-08. Ok, different, sneeky - stupid different. Just close enough to cause any normal, assuming, intelligent person problems. This 308 crap should be clarified or ended.
 
Model12Win: My Son & I have been shooting a CZ 527 762x39 Carbine for several years now. And it shoots Wolf 124gr HP`s so well, an inch or under at a 100yds off of a rest that we have not started reloading for it. We just buy that Wolf 124gr HP`s by the case. And we must have 4 or 5 cases of the that ammo on hand that we have bought at Gun Shows and Estate Sales. I called and talked to one of the Gunsmiths at CZ in KC when we first got our rifle, and asked him about how well our rifle was shooting, this cheap steel Wolf brand ammo. He laughed and then told me that CZ had designed their 527 762x39 Carbine to shoot the cheap steel cased ammo from Europe. But they warned me not to single load any of their Controled Feed Rifles. Our rifle has a small 3-9X40 Nikon Monark scope on it. And A 250yd shot on a Coyote, Fox, or a Pig is really not much of a problem, if we do our part. Our Gun Club has a 200yd range and we can hit clay pigions laying on the 200yd berm using a rest most of the time. My Son and I really like our CZ 527 762X39 Carbine and we shoot it alot.
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ut they warned me not to single load any of their Controled Feed Rifles.
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Completely false. Says right in the manual you can single load. Once the claw extractor face is polished it snicks right over the rim.
 
527 bore size accuracy

The 527 bore is .311. I have had a 527 for a couple of years and shoot it frequently and like this gun. Set trigger, fast handling and fun, well made and finished. Steel case ammo is standard fare as well as handloads. I have an Aimpoint H-1 red dot sight mounted on a picatinny rail. Accuracy -- Not a bench rest rifle but a great hunting rifle. More than adequate for hogs at 200 yards or less and 2 legged varmints for home defense. Shoots 2" groups at 100 yards which is more than adequate for my purposes. My wife enjoys shooting it as much as I do.
 
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