CZ 452 VS Marlin 39A Accuracy

Distance?

How about 50 and 100 yards, 10 shots, any ammo, open sights?

Cheating? Well Ill get Spiff as my witness if he can stay sober on a Saturday night.....:D

In fact, we maybe need to do the great TFL 22 rifle shootoff so all can participate

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If any of you 39A lovers want one, I've got a 2002 model for sale with a Williams sight, Like most of them, very accurate, but I just don't shoot it very much as I'm mostly a pistol guy..................ck
 
I've got a CZ 452, a newly acquired Brno Mod 1 ( CZ 452's grampa), an older Marlin 80, 81DL and a model 781. 80 and 781 have the Micro-Groove barrel, 81DL is an older model, pre Micro-Groove. I just ended up shooting this past Sunday (the day I got the Brno) about 400 or so rounds out of my 5 rimfires. I took my 10/22, CZ 452, Brno mod 1, Glenfield 60 and Marlin 80. The other 5 stayed home.

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Brno turned in by far the best performance, 10/22 and 452 tied for second, Marlin 80 was 4th and Glenfield 60 had the worst accuracy compared to others.
Here's a 5 shot group, first group shot with Wolf MT. It turned out groups like this with Remington Subsonics as well, just not as regularly. Mind you, this was my first time shooting this rifle, 9 power scope on it. 50 yards. Inner bullseye is 1/2 inch across.

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Marlin 80 came close on a few ocassions, but is severly hampered by a 100 lb trigger (sure seems like it is that bad), and a weird trigger geometry/feel. I'm gonna have to grind it down some and smooth it out.


I'm sure both the 39 and 452 are great rifles, different philosphies applied nevertheless. You can't go wrong with either one. But my nod is towards the CZ of course.

And for the people who talk smack about the CZ quality and accuracy....please, post here once you're sober and off of drugs!!!!!!
 
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First rifle I ever bought was a 39A. I have had it 40 years and really like it, but, it will not hang with my daughter's CZ Scout. I wish it wasn't true but it is.
 
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I love my 452 Trainer with a Simmons 22 mag on it. Just ole Federal champs gets 1/2 at 100 and goes thru 2x4's. That Scout has a shorter barrel, so try it up against a longer barreled one and you'll see the difference. But I'm sure the 39 A is great too. Whatever puts it on the table is good.

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I have a CZ 452 in .17 HM2 topped with a BSA Sweet 17. On a calm day; it's one slightly ragged hole 5 shot groups at 100 yards. I don't care what the Marlin can do; cause it can't do better than that. If it does as well, but costs more, I can't see why the CZ 452 wouldn't be superior.
 
Have had my Marlin 39 since second grade in 1952 and can honestly say have never had another 22 to compare. Ruger 77/22 and Win 52 repro just do not handle same. Once in early 60's Dad & I decided to scope it, and to zero made a crude vise on a sawhorse to hold rifle secure, one shot then andjusted crosshairs to hole. Seemed to my young eyes at the time to be one hole groups at 5o yards, not that I cared for that level of accuracy at the time. Tin can accuracy out to 75 yards was more fun than punching holes in paper.
 
thanks everyone's reply

I am gonna go get marlin 39A, even though cz is a little more accurate in most cases. but 39A is the best lever 22LR, but there is better bolt 22LRs than CZ. another reason is that, in Canada, CZ and 39A sell for same price.

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Dunno about the Marlin, but here's a 50 yard 5 shot group I shot with my 452. Center-to-center size is about 0.3 inches.

(Yes, I really did shoot it on April Fool's day--bummer, huh?)

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I have one CZ 452 (American) and three Marlin 39's (39A, 39A Mountie & 39TDS).

For accuracy I have to give the edge to the CZ. see picture: http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1168549

The CZ is a good quality rifle and I would rate mine equal quality to the Marlin 39 and much better than any Marlin bolt I've seen. The CZ has a good trigger and is easily made better with Brookies trigger kit.

However,,,,, If I HAD to pick one or the other, I'd pick the 39A Mountie because it's my favorite hunting rimfire. The accuracy is very good, see picture of 5 in a nickle at; http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1114275

That was an unscoped group so I'm sure a I could tighten it up a little. One hole? maybe. The Marlin is less finicky about ammo too.
 
While I don't own a Marlin 39A, I do own a CZ 452FS (Mannlicher stock) and I can consistently shoot pea to dime-sized groups with it at 50yds using an el-cheapo BSA scope and Remington bulk pack ammo. I can image that the Marlin can equal, but not surpass that.


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I think it's interesting how some folks will call one junk because they like the other. I'd pay attention to the posts of those who own both firearms for the most reliable comparrisons otherwise your getting a "Chevy guy" or a "Ford Fan" type opinion.
 
Wow. Really surprised by the first couple of posts of this thread. Just purchased a CZ 452. Not having any firsthand experience with this rifle and not knowing anyone who owns one, I decided to become an expert the easy way - I did some research on the internet.;)

Basically, I couldn't find anyone who actually owned one of these rifles who had anything bad to say about it. Found an awful lot of people who thought it was the best .22 you could buy for under $500, and who were particularly enthusiastic about its accuracy. It was something of relief to read some of the later posts by owners who seem pretty happy with there CZ's.

My rifle should arrive next week and I'll be curious to see how well it soes. I'm counting on it to be a tack driver because it's getting to the point where I can't afford to shoot my AR's and .308's. :)
 
Wow - resurrecting an old thread. I'll chime in, though, since I hold a full house: A pair of 39As and a trio of 452s.

I don't know whether the OP was asking about the intrinsic accuracy of each, or which is easier to be accurate with under a given condition ("net" accuracy). I suspect that most people, myself included, can really only offer thoughts on net accuracy, since we (I) never shot each from a vice, using each rifle's preferred ammo.

Having said that, though, I found both to be accurate. My scoped 452 varmint will smoke any of the others any day off a bench. Comparing apples to apples, though, I can shoot my peep-sighted 39As nearly as accurately as my peep-sighted ultraLux when standing, shooting offhand. Off a bench, the UltaLux edges the 39As a wee bit.

Both are great rifles, but IMO, they have their fortes. For plinking, the 39A gets the nod. For bench shooting, the 452. For hunting, either would be great.
 
Owning both for some years I can say my CZ 452 Special has show itself to be capable of a far higher level of precision shooting when compared to my Marlin 39. Shooting examples of each owned by others pretty much mirrors my results.

My 452 Special @ 50 yards:
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And at 100 yards:
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And the Special was only $189 when I bought it back in 2002. Actually the only 22lr rifle I owned that was more accurate with some brands of ammo was a $675 Sako. If I ever get around to improving the CZ trigger things will only get better.

As to the references of CZ being junk that is simply a crock of horse manure. Apparently there are those who have their favorites and when something different is mentioned they will badmouth it in an effort to elevate their favorite. I picked up a CZ 452 American a few weeks ago and and if it can be classified as junk then I would rank my 39 in the same class as well.

I enjoy owning both. For fast standup shooting/plinking the 39 is the rifle I choose , for shooting groups I grab the CZ.
 
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