Cylinder brass
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FrankenMauser
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Have you gotten a quote from Quality Cartridge? They'll run nearly anything you can think of.
... FrankenMauser
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They used to be really good about returning email requests. ...But seem to have been overwhelmed lately. Your best bet is to keep trying to call.
Berry's MfG
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"Basic Brass" is what you are looking for, comes with different diameters and case head configurations. I've bought 30-06 basic and 45-70 basic but never seen the 223 basic.
Sorry for the very long absence. Cylinder brass in 223 is carried by Buffalo Arms.
https://www.buffaloarms.com/223-cylindrical-1-76long-cases-223cyl
What I was working on back then was a full length 223 ever so slightly necked down to 308 shooting a 150gr round nose bullet. Out of a 16" barrel, we made 2250fps safely with H227, and sold a lot of AR15 uppers based on that round for hunting.
A short time later, H227 was discontinued leaving me with having to do another search for a well matched powder. Finding none, I shelved the project for a few years. Now there are several new powders that look pretty close burn rate wise so I ordered more Cylinder Brass and will work on this over the winter.
I just wanted to share the brass source in case someone else is looking for 223 brass for their own wildcat project.
A wonderful Thanksgiving to all!
https://www.buffaloarms.com/223-cylindrical-1-76long-cases-223cyl
What I was working on back then was a full length 223 ever so slightly necked down to 308 shooting a 150gr round nose bullet. Out of a 16" barrel, we made 2250fps safely with H227, and sold a lot of AR15 uppers based on that round for hunting.
A short time later, H227 was discontinued leaving me with having to do another search for a well matched powder. Finding none, I shelved the project for a few years. Now there are several new powders that look pretty close burn rate wise so I ordered more Cylinder Brass and will work on this over the winter.
I just wanted to share the brass source in case someone else is looking for 223 brass for their own wildcat project.
A wonderful Thanksgiving to all!
Close, but not identical.
I've seen more than one warning not to interchange the two powder's loading data. My own attempt at it showed early pressure signs and lower velocity with the exact same brass, primer and bullet combinations.
When I called them, the reason I was given is that that line was dropped due to possible and dangerous confusion with the IMR4227 line, and low sales for the H227.
I've seen more than one warning not to interchange the two powder's loading data. My own attempt at it showed early pressure signs and lower velocity with the exact same brass, primer and bullet combinations.
When I called them, the reason I was given is that that line was dropped due to possible and dangerous confusion with the IMR4227 line, and low sales for the H227.
Jim Watson
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Reminds me of the .30 Apache. .30x.223 loaded with I THINK H335 and a heavy spitzer for metallic silhouette. The long bullet made a single shot out of a 788. When asked if the shallow shoulder gave trouble with headspace, Mr Apache said, "Not really. After a few loadings the neck splits and I throw it away."
disseminator
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It's exactly what the Apache was, or is, except of course the bullets have to be seated for AR15 mags, hence the round nose in order to feed a 150gr pill and still have room for powder.
The end result is a full 45mm long case, which is more powder capacity than the Wilson 40mm round. It was just fun to play with and gave me a "good enough" energy round for Deer under 200 yards. I looked at it this way, if I could match what the 30/30 did out of an AR15, then it would be just fine for the brush and short shooting ranges I hunt in. It even graced my patrol car for quite a few years until reloaded ammo became a no no for duty rounds.
Of course the 6.5 Grendel and any of the WSSM based rounds are much better for any distance shooting out of an AR15.
The end result is a full 45mm long case, which is more powder capacity than the Wilson 40mm round. It was just fun to play with and gave me a "good enough" energy round for Deer under 200 yards. I looked at it this way, if I could match what the 30/30 did out of an AR15, then it would be just fine for the brush and short shooting ranges I hunt in. It even graced my patrol car for quite a few years until reloaded ammo became a no no for duty rounds.
Of course the 6.5 Grendel and any of the WSSM based rounds are much better for any distance shooting out of an AR15.
Jim Watson
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Yes, but you are not throwing special order brass in the weeds with the .30x.223.
On the range I use a brass catcher for everything. In the hunting woods, one shell less is no big deal.
Besides, before I located Cylinder brass, I just fire formed full length 223 military brass in a fire forming die; one and done as it were. Cylinder brass is just a cleaner and quicker way of getting there.
Besides, before I located Cylinder brass, I just fire formed full length 223 military brass in a fire forming die; one and done as it were. Cylinder brass is just a cleaner and quicker way of getting there.
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Not for me, the reason for that is because I am a case former, I form first and then fire, other reloaders fire form, they chamber a round and then pull the trigger. After pulling the trigger they eject a once fired case (also know as a fire formed case). Again I form first and then fire.
And then there is always an, 'and then': For years and years I had had cases shorten from the end of the neck to the case head, some cases shorten as much as .045", I choose to avoid that because the cases I am forming have short necks like the 30 Gibbs, the neck on the 30 Gibbs is .217 long. I have no ideal what other reloaders thing of the short neck, there is a good chance they have never noticed because I have never seen anyone else mention it. When forming Gibbs cases I look for the longest case available.
The R.P Cylinder brass case is 2.650" long from the mouth of the case to the case head. The case has a 35 Whelen head stamp and it is a straight wall case. Long before there was a cylinder brass case available there was the 280 Remington cases, it is .051" longer than the 30/06 cases.
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Jim Watson
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All I know is what I read in old gunzines, but Rocky Gibbs had recommendations on what brass to use for his cartridges. I recall he had it refined down to the lot numbers of military match that he considered superior.
Lacking Quickload and Pressure Trace, he said that a maximum load should leave primer pockets tight for ten loadings. One gunzine author is happy with five.
In the 1980s, custom gunsmiths made a number of fancy hunting rifles on 1909 Argentine Mauser actions. Peacetime production of very good quality, they even had the sporter style floorplate latch in the trigger guard.
A popular chamber was .280 Rem. because
a. 7mm bullets were in fashion and
b. its standard case diameter meant the gunsmith did not have to alter the bolt face and magazine lips, leaving more of his time and your money for styling features.
It was also claimed that the .280 was the equal of 7mm Rem Mag "with bullets less than 150 grains." Actually, of course, that was a substantial overload, which some of the experts dealt with by forming Winchester brand .270 brass to .280 because they considered it harder and stronger than Remington brand.
Lacking Quickload and Pressure Trace, he said that a maximum load should leave primer pockets tight for ten loadings. One gunzine author is happy with five.
In the 1980s, custom gunsmiths made a number of fancy hunting rifles on 1909 Argentine Mauser actions. Peacetime production of very good quality, they even had the sporter style floorplate latch in the trigger guard.
A popular chamber was .280 Rem. because
a. 7mm bullets were in fashion and
b. its standard case diameter meant the gunsmith did not have to alter the bolt face and magazine lips, leaving more of his time and your money for styling features.
It was also claimed that the .280 was the equal of 7mm Rem Mag "with bullets less than 150 grains." Actually, of course, that was a substantial overload, which some of the experts dealt with by forming Winchester brand .270 brass to .280 because they considered it harder and stronger than Remington brand.
Jim Watson
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Yup. .280 Rem is NOT 7mm '06. I don't know how sloppy they thought .270 chamber necks were but they were guarding against it, by gum. Made converting those hard .270s to .280 a lot more work.
I always wondered where 270 came from. It is said to have been "inspired" by 7x64 Brenneke, but the only previous user of the .270/.277 barrel was the 6.8mm Chinese Mauser.
I always wondered where 270 came from. It is said to have been "inspired" by 7x64 Brenneke, but the only previous user of the .270/.277 barrel was the 6.8mm Chinese Mauser.
Mike Irwin
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The .270 Winchester was not based on the .30-06 case.
It was based on the longer .30-03 case necked down.
It was based on the longer .30-03 case necked down.
In the beginning there was the 30/03, and then there was the 30/06, to go from 30/03 to 30/06 they trimmed the length of the neck. And then? Came the 270, the case length difference between the 270 and 30/06 was .049", After the 270 came the 280 and a problem, they did not want a shooter to chamber a 280 into a 270 so they increased the length of the case from the shoulder to the case head .051", The 280 Remington case became my favorite case because of the additional length.
F. Guffey
F. Guffey