custom 10/22 or something else?

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I have plans and parts selected for a custom 10/22 build. Stainless receiver with second tang, bull barrel threaded in the receiver. Barrel will be free floating. Trigger group and bolt will be CNC, custom made. Nice walnut stock. All said and done this will cost around $900. I want a very accurate hunting rifle for headshots on rabbit and squirrel. My question is this, am I buying the right rifle? Am I going to kick myself a year from now and say why didn't l buy this or that rifle instead of building this one? I don't really care whether it is bolt or semi auto. I just want very accurate rifle and not have to use match ammo. Any advice? Am I wasting money?

Thanks
 
Good project and choice

Any advice? Am I wasting money?
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There is always a sense of satisfaction in starting from scratch and building up. I have done so, on more that one occasion. However, you seldom get your money back as only you will be in a position to appreciate your work. Yes, these 10/22's can be tack drivers but you can get there with a smaller investment. Currently, I am working on two such projects; one sporter and the other, a thumbhole stock... ... ;)

I don't want to discourage you and it is certainly your call. For the money you are mentioning, might I suggest one of the Magnum Research or Volts?

Stainless receiver with second tang
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I am not familiar with your term of "Second Tang"? Can you elaborate on this? Do you mean integrated scope base?

Welcome aboard !!!

Be Safe !!!
 
By second tang I mean a second anchor point (screw boss) on the back of the receiver to make the system more stable. Also allows for a more stable free floating barrel.
 
Hi buckeye 22

Welcome

i have a couple rifles just like you are talking,, and one in the works

the reciever you are talking about needs a special fixture to put the hole in the stock for the rear tang,,it goes through the stock on an angle,,MOA sells those too,, maybe your reciever isn't a MOA

this reciever make a very rigid platform,,about any of the phat barrels will do what you are talking about,,and the lite weight .920 barrels too,,some guys are reseting the factory barrel and rechambering the with good results

i prefer 18" barrels they hang and balance well for me for off hand,,all in what you like

tony kidd makes great stuff for the 10-22,,as do others,,,i will tell you just beware there are guys out there selling stuff that say they have something they really don't,,buy the good stuff once, pay the price and don't look back,,i found out the hard way,,,bought a bolt guy was saying how it was head spaced just perfect and had a blah blah extractor and on and on,,,when i got it it was all BS,,,,,stay with the good stuff

my rifles will do minute of squarel ear at 50 yrds no problem,,,with bulk ammo from wal-mart,,,the nod goes to the remington stuff,, but none of it is to bad,,and one of them kinda prefers the federal

good scope helps too,,one has 6x40,, one has 6-24x40,,,this new one is gona get a 6-24x50 pentax,,,lol,,,i know,,,but i can see the ear very clearly

check out

rimfirecentral.com forum,,,all about 22's and making them work

hope this helps

my .02

ocharry
 
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We have two custom 10/22s built off stock actions and both are will shot sub 3/8" and less at 50 yards with a federal 922a . Wolf and SK may do it may not. Subject to fliers. Move up to a better class and groups get tighter yet. With cheap bulk ammo forget how good the rifle is. You still know matter what have to find what your rifle likes and stay with that lot number if you can. These are very different rifles . One built to be very light for hunting and fun matchs the other heavy and easy to shoot small groups with. parts run from clark and kidd barrels jard and clark triggers and boyds and Hogue for stocks. Just no that much difference. Wifes rifle runs 4-16 scope mine others have 6-24 scopes on them.

Then I have a stock Savage BV that needs just good ammo to shoot 1/2" groups at 50 yards with wolf sk and fed 711b. I don't waist time on faster ammo as when it drops back thru the speed of sound it becomes unstable and groups go to heck. My tree rat ammo tends to be wolfs cheaper label. MOH, that would be minute of head at 100 yards.

My son in law has a marlin 60, an old one . With a good scope on it and some of my wolf match extra its a honest 3/4" 50 yard rifle.

Now you deside what you want to invest in too.

Buy a nice CZ 453 or 455 and go hunting. Probably could be more accurate than a Kidd ultimate. Or split the difference and buy a fedderson rifle. see below. Darn good hunter.

http://www.1022rifle.com/rifle-ruger
 
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Buckeye,

Is 1/4 - 1/2" at 50yds good enough for you? It can be done with the 10/22 and is by lots of folks

As the last poster said, you need to spend time on Rimfire Central Forum.

You can make a 10/22 into just about whatever you want, and at a price you want to spend.

I recently bought a new 10/22 with no intention of "tricking it out" Hmmmmmmmm?

Well I like good triggers. So in goes a Timney trigger group. I want reliability, so in goes an a well thought of after market extractor --------- Then the recoil buffer that may or may not be needed .

Then I was reading comparisons of Kidd and Freddersen barrels on RFC, and the Freddersen was getting VERY good marks and the price was right so one of those was ordered. No shipping charges on barrels ordered by the 4th or 5th of this month. -- a $26.?? savings - Good price for a very good product - $165 for a .920 fluted barrel, shipped.

Needed a stock for the bigger barrel and found a used Fajen laminated for 50 bucks and someone is buying my synthetic stock, stainless barrel and barrel band for enough to pay for the used stock.

Already have a Clark Custom 77/22 that shoots extremely well so didn't need another one, BUT ----------------------- it happens!

Really look'in forward to shooting groups with this new rifle!!!!!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot
 
Lots of good Savages out there!!!!!!!

I'll relate the following with regards to one Savage.

A friend and I had a couple friendly shoot outs about 3-4 summers ago. nice calm conditions set up with the bench an bags at 50yds, Jack with his Savage Mark I or II or??, a single shot semi target rifle that comes from Savage with target type irons sights. Jack has a Nikon 4X scope mounted.

My rifle was the Clark custom 77/22 with 3X9 Leupold.

We Both shot off the same bench an bags, and shot from the same boxes of ammo.

First year, we shot mostly the target/match ammo from every manufacture I could come up with, including the really pricey Lapua (Both L & M dia.) of two different kinds, Eley tenex EPS, Federal Gold metal ultra match (same stuff used in and made for the Olympics some years ago), Wolf, Winchester, CCI and whatever else I came up with.

Second year it was typical "off the shelf" ammo shooting again under good conditions.

Well the first year, left me wondering at the wisdom of the expense I had invested in my Clark Custom and Leupold set up, as Jack and his much cheaper rifle shot right with the more expensive set up and in a few cases better. Lots of tiny groups shot that day.

The second year however, told a different story. While the CRuger just kept making group after little group with any bigger groups being the exception, it was just the reverse with Jack's rifle, the nice small groups being the exceptions.

Please understand that I am not hammering anyone's Savage or any other rifle, but the second "shoot out" did explain for me the reason why I had spent the extra bucks.

I wanted a rifle able to shoot tiny groups, and that is what I bought and PAID for.

This makes no one's rifle a bad choice, but I had a level of performance that I desired and that level comes at a price.

If you don't believe that, check out the price for Coopers (real eye candy - check out Cooper of Montana on the net), Kimbers, Annies and the other rifles of that ability level.

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot
 
hey crusty << Sounds like your stock 10/22 starting to lean towards becoming a mild custom too. darn rifles were just made to easy to modify. Its all bill rugers fault.
 
Mr. Bill, did not like upgrades to his 10/22's

darn rifles were just made to easy to modify. Its all bill rugers fault.
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Actually, I read an article where Bill Ruger was insulted that his rifles were not good enough for some folks, out of the box. Went on to add, just how particular he was about his barrels. .... ;)

Be Safe !!!
 
If I wanted to shoot heads off squirrels and rabbits, I would rather have a .17 HMR bolt action. This is because I know I can head shot a squirrel from 100 yards with my .17 HMR. I have shot them out of trees at around 120 yards, and even when you don't hit them in the head, the .17 HMR knocks them dead a lot quicker than .22LR. There isn't nearly as much of the "I know I hit him, I see blood but no squirrel", most of the time they are dead exactly where you shot him, or below that if shot out of a tree. The v-max round will effectively remove a significant portion of the squirrels head, would probably leave a gaping hole in the head of a rabbit. Hollow point rounds make a smaller exit wound, the FMJ will leave a nice clean hole.

I paid $250 for my Marlin 917v, and about the same for the Redfield Revolution scope I have on it. I can make less than 1/2" groups at 100 yards if I do my part. Only modification to the rifle was replacing the trigger return spring with a lighter one.

I'm not knocking the 10/22, they are great little rifles. I would probably just buy volquartsen parts instead of having a trigger group and bolt custom made. Volquartsen makes parts just as good or probably better.
 
Another option you might want to consider is using a PWS Summit T3 reciever as your base. Biathlon style toggle action that can take all 10/22 accessories.
 
I owned several tricked out Ruger 10/22s which I used in Sportsman's Team Challenge. They shot fantastic! I had around $1100 in each of them and they did what I needed to do.....shoot a lot of shots very accurately in a very short period of time under intense pressure. That said, I wasn't shooting rabbits and squirrels. The needs are different between competition and hunting. If I were to spend that much money today, I'd put it into a high end bolt gun with a good scope. At the end of the day, the bolt gun will hold its value. The tricked out 10/22 will not. Now, don't everyone start hollering that it will, cause it won't. People who want these guns tricked out and accurate want them customized to their own needs and there's always something "better" coming along right after you get done putting the latest and greatest on your tricked out gun. I know, I've been there and seen it a hundred times. Something like an Anschutz will keep its value. The Ruger won't. A good bolt gun is all you need for hunting. I have a couple of out of the box Savage bolt guns that will shoot near an inch at 100 yds with nothing done to them. They cost around five hundred with a QUALITY scope on them.
 
I believe, NoSecondBest is right on with his comments.

I believe that my Clark Custom 77/22, even though "tricked" out by a well know operation is not likely to hold it's value as well as say, a Cooper, Kimber or Annie or even a good used Winchester 52.

So, as was said, you need to make your choice and be prepared to pay your money.

The 10/22 I currently have in process, is just something to WOW my self and my friends, and will never make me any bucks or even get back what I have invested.

Will it shoot really small groups? I expect it will. Will it out shoot or equal my Clark Custom bolt gun? Time will tell.

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot
 
If I were to spend that much money today, I'd put it into a high end bolt gun with a good scope...Something like an Anschutz will keep its value.
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+1. Nothing against 10/22s, and I'd use one when it's the best choice, but for an accurate squirrel rifle that'll hold it's value, I'd go with a nice bolt rifle. I've got lust in my heart for a Cooper Jackson Squirrel Rifle, but my more practical side has been eyeballing the Anschutz 64 MPR as a target rifle that can be pushed into field duty.
 
MrBorland,

I was really enjoying the eye candy on the Cooper web site, but also looking and handling Kimber when I was looking for a very good shooting .22.

The Clark Custom 77/22 has filled the itch very nicely.

It wouldn't of course have the "name" of a Cooper, Kimber, Anschutz, etc. but it sure fills my need.

I got mine after a fellow in N.E. Washington ordered it from Clark for $785 delivered then didn't like it because of the weight.

I got it as near as I could tell unfired - rings were still in the package - for $600 - from a Cooper dealer. Checked out Clark Custom a few days ago and the current cost is over a thousand dollars for a new one. Much less if you furnish Clark your personal 77/22 to trick out.

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot
 
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