Current Ruger Quality Surpassed S&W

S&W VS Ruger

I went & save for two & a half years to buy the S&W Performance Center 10.5" 500S&W magnum & it truly made me sick to my stomach the POS had the yoke screws backing out after the first cylinder full & ys know what S&W did they sent me a small pack of yoke screws to fix this problem & i paid $1,150 + Tax for this hunk of junk I sent it back to S&W & when i got it back i sold it & never looked back expensive lesson I now have almost paid off my Ruger Super Redhawk 9.5" 44 Magnum & its many times the gun any S&W would ever be I had owned several S&W Model 29 & i had trouble with two of the 3 i owned I wont ever own another S&W again it Ruger all the way for me from now on when it comes to handguns :(
 
...had the yoke screws backing out after the first cylinder full & ys know what S&W did they sent me a small pack of yoke screws to fix this problem...
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You did not need new/more yoke screws...you needed to be introduced to Mr. Blue Loctite. Screws loosening under heavy recoil is not a quality issue...it is a physics issue.
 
look @ my sigline to see which brand i prefer, i like Ruger for sheer toughness and reliability but older S&W are something to behold craftmanship wise.
 
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Being heavy (due to using castings) and "built like a tank" doesn't make them tougher or better - it only makes them heavier than they really need to be
 
It is going to take some convincing for me to believe that Ruger quality surpasses S&W quality on revolvers. Ruger makes a good product and I think that everything changed (for the better) when they brought out the SP-101 and GP-100 revolvers. That's been a while and I have no hesitation in buying Ruger revolvers now verus in the past when I seldom considered one.

My statement has nothing to do with being a "better value" as compared to S&W.
 
Are we comparing $750 production Rugers to $1000 Performance Center S&W's now???
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I stand by my statement, show me the Ruger that is higher quality and I will shut up. :D I will pay top dollar for top quality. Ruger Alaskans are selling for $900 these days.
 
trapper300RUM said:
I went & save for two & a half years to buy the S&W Performance Center 10.5" 500S&W magnum & it truly made me sick to my stomach the POS had the yoke screws backing out after the first cylinder full & ys know what S&W did they sent me a small pack of yoke screws to fix this problem & i paid $1,150 + Tax for this hunk of junk I sent it back to S&W & when i got it back i sold it & never looked back expensive lesson I now have almost paid off my Ruger Super Redhawk 9.5" 44 Magnum & its many times the gun any S&W would ever be I had owned several S&W Model 29 & i had trouble with two of the 3 i owned I wont ever own another S&W again it Ruger all the way for me from now on when it comes to handguns
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Are you really judging all S&W's based on a yolk screw backing out on a gun that chambers the 500mag, the most powerful production handgun round on the market. And based on that you call it a piece of junk and say you will never own a S&W again? Sorry but your experience is one of ignorance, a little locktite on the screw would have fixed the problem, and a little research could have told you that. Revolvers chambered for lesser rounds with lesser recoil can have the same thing happen, and again locktite will fix it 99% of the time. If you really did have problems with your "several" Model 29's then lets hear it, because I really cant believe someone would have problems with two of the same model gun and buy a third. You also stated in an earlier thread that you owned two Model 29's, and now its three?

Also how do you know the Super Redhawk is "many times the gun any S&W would ever be" if you still don't even own it yet. You clearly said you don't have it payed off. I smell a troll.
 
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Some people like the Ruger SRH. I tolerate it simply because mine is chambered in 480 Ruger. I don't want a Taurus Raging Bull in that caliber.
 
Hundy, the older P-series are tanks. I had a P90 and that sucker was built as tough as they come.
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Hey CharlieDeltaJuliet I agree with you. That was my first and I still have it. My favorite Auto, favorite 45ACP, I will never get rid of it. Now that I am older I tend to like Revolvers more, and enjoy shooting revolvers, but the P90 will always be a favorite.

Thanks

Jay
 
I swear I have never, myself, held a semi-automatic pistol built as tough as the P90. I gave mine to my father. It is well over 7000 rounds through it now and still is going strong....
 
I have to admit that the weight and "tank" is precisely why I never liked any of that series of semi-auto pistols. To each his own.
 
I stand by my statement, show me the Ruger that is higher quality and I will shut up.
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$250 is a lot to pay for an action job. I stand by what I said, you're comparing the action of a $1000 S&W that has been tuned by the Performance Center to a box stock $750 Ruger. A Ruger, I might add, that would've been $500 only a couple years ago. That would be like me saying that my 629MG is far superior to any Ruger and the action is much smoother. While not mentioning that Bob Munden tuned it. :rolleyes:

No, I do NOT believe new S&W's are worth their premium. Not any more. Which is probably why I don't own any. Believe me, I'd love for things to be different. I'd love to have some of the more recent "Classic" series guns, like the various fixed sight N-frames but I just don't think they're worth what they're asking for them. I can't pay $1000 for an inferior sixgun with that stupid internal lock.
 
My 2012 production gp100 has no mim parts. Stoned the trigger not too long ago, added wolf springs 12 and 10 lb so far seems to work very well for me, and fiber optic sights as well. It does have cast parts. The only drawback i see so far to mim parts is that you cant work it like regular metals with files and stones and such. have an mim trigger kit in my saiga and it took masonry bits to drill through it. Other than that i do not own any mim guns to my knowledge.
 
Our family has bought a lot of Ruger and S&W handguns in the past 3 years; getting ready for the Zombie Apocalypse, you know. And I have to say that the fit-and-finish on all of these handguns has been extremely good. The S&W and Ruger revolvers have all been pleasers. I would be hard-pressed to say which company edges out the other in quality. Both have been great by my experience.
 
$250 is a lot to pay for an action job. I stand by what I said, you're comparing the action of a $1000 S&W that has been tuned by the Performance Center to a box stock $750 Ruger.
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You are really missing the point. It is more than an action job, the parts are all hand fitted a ball detent is added to the yoke. It is still a factory gun. To me, it is well worth it to pay a couple hundred dollars more for a semi custom gun.

My 640 Pro, also a step up from production guns is a better 357 Snubby than an SP 101. Of course you can buy an SP 101 and a half for the cost of the Smith.

When I bought it the only other contender was the Alaskan. The only thing the Alaskan brings to the table is a longer (heavier) cylinder to load heavier bullets into. I did not buy a snubby to carry garret hammerheads in.

I have nothing against Rugers I actually own as many Rugers as I do Smiths. This has to do with value, I just think that Smiths have a better quality to value ratio. My opinions are my own and are of course subjective.
 
You are really missing the point.
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That would be convenient if it were true.


...the parts are all hand fitted...
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Yeah right. This ain't the 1930's.


This has to do with value, I just think that Smiths have a better quality to value ratio.
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And I disagree. S&W has taken many steps to cheapen the guns and has done nothing but raise prices. With few exceptions, Ruger has improved their guns.


The only thing the Alaskan brings to the table is a longer (heavier) cylinder to load heavier bullets into.
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And a 50-55,000psi operating pressure. And an all coil spring action that is nearly indestructible. And lockwork that doesn't shoot loose in just a few thousand rounds. And no internal lock to malfunction. Sounds like you're confusing what's "better for you" with what's just "better".
 
I am a S&W fan and feel that they make the best gun in the world, but that’s cheating. I have over a dozen N frames and the newest one was built in the late 70’s except for one.
It’s a Thunder ranch Mod 21. The finish is good but trigger and end shake are not what I expect from S&W.
I have several old Rugers. Very good guns but poor triggers and chamber problems. They are all single actions.
I purchased one new Ruger last year. It’s a new Blackhawk in 44 special. The finish is of a very high quality and the trigger is like glass breaking and it’s tight even for a single action.
That’s not a lot to go on but being a BIG S&W fan I too have seen the quality of S&W go down and the opposite for Ruger.
I have always felt buying both were a good investment in a quality product. For NEW, I am starting to feel that Ruger has really stepped up to the plate and where has S&W gone?:confused:
 
My 2012 production gp100 has no mim parts.
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You would be incorrect - see below:


Thank you for using the Ruger On-Line Customer Support Request Form.

This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of 05/08/2011
Request No: 95236

Comment / question:

is Ruger now using some MIM parts in the sp101 and gp100???

if so, could you please advise what parts?

Response:
Yes, the Crane latch, cylinder latch, front sight.

If you need further information, please visit our website at www.ruger.com or contact us at:

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I think S&W is getting better

I think S&W went through a long period where the bottom line controlled everything. They were really starting to put out some low quality crap. The buyers responded by going to other manufacturers and S&W got the message. I'm not saying that their current production quality is anywhere near their older guns, but the same can be said for all manufacturers. I believe they are getting better, but until this country gets its act together and starts to respect buyers not the almighty dollar bill, we will never return to the highest quality products of yesterday.

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