Curious Why some people think the way they do

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This is obviously going to be a loaded thread, with plenty of opinions; but here goes anyway.

Most people who have a gun for self/personal defense, didn't always have one. How did they defend themselves walking down the street, at home, etc... prior to owning a gun?

Why, now that some people own a gun, they throw out these other ways (usually your brain) in defending themselves. They now feel that the "GUN" can protect and save their lives. Instead of realizing that the gun is simply a "TOOL". That it is THEY who will protect themselves or allow themselves to get hurt or killed.

Also, why do people who all of a sudden buy a gun for self defense, believe that the threat has all of a sudden changed and increased dramatically; compared to when they didn't have a gun. You hear the conversations going on about needing a 15+ round magazine to protect themselves. They speak of having a .223 for home protection. Again, they didn't have these issues before having a gun. Now that they have a gun, a 6 shot revolver all of a sudden isn't good enough. They have to have a 15+ round glock. Why? (That's a rhetorical question, there really is no answer).

So is it that people who don't own a gun "YET", are naive??? Is it that they don't see the world as threatening? Are only people who own gun, enlightened? OR, is it that people, once they become avid gun owners, think they are Rambo or start exaggerating the threat of their world. They start believing that Die-Hard, Lethal Weapon, Red-Dawn are "Real" possibilities instead of Hollywood? I say AVID gun users, because there are a group of gun owners who have a gun, bought it for whatever reason, and almost never use it. The gun is in their dresser or closet. There's also the other small percentage who bought a gun after a crime against them was committed. But for the average gun owner who visits forums and such, it appears more that they think the potential threat is greater than it was before they owned a gun.

Personally, I don't believe the threat has changed. I also understand that the gun is just a tool. No gun has ever saved a person. Just like no gun has ever killed a person. It's the person with the gun that decides what happens next. But I really believe that there are a lot of gun owners who throw out normal common sense and rely on the gun to save their life instead of themselves. And as such, they will continue to try and make the role that the gun plays to be more important. Higher cap magazines, faster reloading, different ammo, manufacturer preferences, etc... The truth is, if they realized that it is they, and not the gun, that determines if there is a threat again them, they'd realize that a 6 shot revolver, 7 shot semi-auto, $300 vs $1200 gun, etc... are all more than enough. Instead, some people are just so pessimistic and believe that if they haven't found a way to conceal a weapon that can hold 50 rounds, and shoot as fast as legal, that there is still work to be done.

Obviously, we're not talking about those who shoot for sport, hunting, plinking, fun, etc.... I'm speaking of those who have a hard-on about personal/self/home defense.
 
Gun owners, it seems, usually fall into one of two categories: People who were raised around firearms and people who became interested in them later in life. Of the latter category, it seems as though there's often some sort of revalation that occurs in which they decide they should acquire a firearm. Often it seems as though this revalation is brought on by some traumatic or frightening event such as a mugging, break-in, assault, or murder of an acquaintence.

Someone who is traumatized or fearful is likely to go out and find the biggest, baddest weapon they can so that they have the most effective possible tool to defend themselves. Usually, this seems to go to one of two extremes: either they go for the uber-tactical gun with sixteen extra 20-round magazines or they go for the biggest monster ultra-magnum they can find and load it with the most powerful Hiroshima-bomb, school-penetrating rounds they can find.

Often, however, these people come to the realization over time that the boogieman isn't out to get them and that their uber-tactical or monster magnum gun is just a royal pain in the butt to lug around all the time. At this point, many people start looking very hard at guns like snubby .38's and pocket .380's.
 
Carry weapon

I carry a Colt 45 Officers model and have for years. The reason I started carrying was due to a couple of friends who were LEOs telling me about what had happened on their shifts.

That said, I have bought many handguns over the years (drank the 9mm Koolaid) but came back to the 45.
 
Is it unrealistic that your neighbor two houses down gets raped at home in broad daylight and your wife feels threatened by the proximity to the crime?

Is it unrealistic that two women who are driving downtown Minneapolis are shot at several times by unknown assailants for no other reason than being in a vehicle going down the same road?

How about the fellow that goes to a bar with two or three friends and throws darts and gets killed on the way home for the three dollars he has left in his wallet?

All these things have really happened...... in real life....

Many times people who suddenly get into home defense do so because for once something in their lives had made them realize that they were living under a self imposed reality that told them that they were safe when they really weren't.

You go into a resturant and what is your guarntee that your going to walk out the same way you walked in if your not prepared to defend yourself within the law? Can you carry a police officer with you all day? How fast do you think the police will arrive when you call, if they show up? (Our police are over worked and under paid and way too often unappreciated)

If you are unarmed then you are at the mercy of people who at times may simply not have any mercy...

About two years ago my wife and I took a night time ride on my motorcycle to get a candy bar at a grocery store / gas station about six miles from where I grew up in a small northern Michigan town.

The group of young men (about 10 or 12) were apparently upset that I had a motorcycle and a younger wife (early 30's) and they didn't. I did nothing to them, I didn't say or word to them or approach them in any way, no gestures... nothing..... The men uttered some crap but we ignored them and quickly entered the store.

They came in the store and tried to bully my wife, I had to physically body block the isle so we could leave the store that I had gone too for years and years. We left the store with nothing, just trying to not have a problem...

We got on my bike and went down some side roads to be sure we weren't followed. On my way home it turned out that one of these young men (20's) lived on the same country road and the whole group of them were at a house drinking and getting wild.

When these men saw us they immediately got into there cars and chased us down the road with both lanes blocked by their vehicles. The road I live on you can easily count more than 100 deer in two miles on any given non deer season night.

I usually drive at about 30 mph when it starts getting dark out because the road is so loaded with deer. Now, Im on a motorcycle with my wife and I have two cars behind us on the two lane road and they are pushing me ever up in speed. One car in each lane of the two lane road.... Not passing but purposely blocking..

Despite my wishes otherwise it was necessary to go well over 80 mph at night on a deer infested road with two cars barreling after me downing thier best to try to run over me.

In the end I had to almost ditch my motorcycle in my front yard in order to not be run over. I held the street bike up in the grass but it was close, my poor wife was ash white with fear. The cars stopped in front of my house but they did not try to follow me into my house, if they had it would have been to their sorrow.

It wasn't long after that we went as a couple and got ccw certified. Should something like this ever happen again I can at least take out a tire, if I have do somthing more I will but I don't want too..

We easily could have hit a deer and been killed or we could have easily been run over as they had no intention of not running over us.

Talking to the Sherrif and the store owner and the local paper did nothing...

I don't want trouble and Im not looking for it but should it find me and threaten my life or my family and not allow me to retreat things will go differently. I pray it never happens but my very neighbors just a few miles from home put me in that situation.
 
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i'm going to make a seatbelt analogy

some people drive without seatbelts, get into a major accident, long recovery, and once behind the wheel, they buckle up

some people didnt wear seatbelts, and then one day they thought to themselves, you know, hey, maybe i should buckle up, and then they did

some people still dont wear seat belts. some of them will never need them, some of them will realize the folly of their ways
 
I know homeowners without homeowners insurance.
I know drivers who have no car insurance.
I know people with kids who have no health or life insurance.

I don't think I'll ever understand such people.
 
I cannot argue........

with the logic that your brain is your best weapon, and to a great extent, that an incident avoided, is better than a fight.

It seems that sometimes the fight comes to you and there is no option. If that occurs, I want to be armed. There are more than a few, decent, alert, intelligent people who have become victims of injury or death due to random violence by human predators.

Random shootings and acts of mass violence seem on the rise. Witness the work place, mall, school, church and restaurant shootings of recent years. I do not believe that these things were as frequent in our past as they are now.

If one of these monsters surfaces while I am out, alone or w/ my family, I do not wish to flee and be a target/victim, or survive knowing I did not act to protect those I love.

Perhaps Wyoming is a more peaceable place than others.
 
All I own at present is a 5 shot revolver. I would like to have a higher capacity auto for several reasons.
1) I tend to shoot much better with an auto
2) It's highly likely that anyone coming into your home is high, and may not react to being shot at all. Not to mention it seems more likely that they won't be alone.
3) Gangs don't "handle their business" alone, and often have assault rifles and shotguns. And they too are often high.
I report things that go on around my apartment building. All it would take is to finger a gangsta and you may very well have a nasty encounter soon afterwards. I'd rather be prepared than not.
 
Random shootings and acts of mass violence seem on the rise. Witness the work place, mall, school, church and restaurant shootings of recent years. I do not believe that these things were as frequent in our past as they are now.

They were, it's just that they weren't televised 24/7 with screaming nationwide press headlines, etc. So we weren't aware that this stuff was happening 300+ miles away let alone cross-country.
 
I agree, we know more about bad things than we used to, whether or not there are more bad things actually happening. Supposedly some man drove up beside a school building and set off a bomb but Lindburg flew the Atlantic the next day and that's all that was in the papers. And the shooting by the professor (who will never get her tenure now) didn't even make the front page.

No one should need reminding that not everyone spends all their spare nickels on guns and ammuntion. One is enough for most people. We here are the folks who can't wait until the next shipload, if they come by ship, gets here loaded with obsolete rifles and pistols. Or the next new Ruger comes out. For other, more reasonalble folks, there is something called escalation of risk but it might take an event to trigger action. I don't know, just a thought. Perhaps most people don't see the world like most of us here seem to, full of risks and dangers and dreadful possibliites. I mean, the world (our neighborhood) is really like that, isn't it?
 
Some years ago I bought my first handgun (and first gun in 3 or more decades) because I could. Then I bought more. Then I got my carry permit because I could and it made transporting to the range easier. Then I started carrying a concealed handgun because I could.

One night driving home from work some idiot on a motocycle decide he had to follow me home. He was so close to my bumper I couldn't see his front wheel in my mirror. I was annoyed and could have taken him out with my brake pedal. But I didn't. As I approached home I knew I didn't want to pull right in my drive so I drove by and pulled into a shopping center parking lot and as he drove by I reversed my direction and bought enough time to open the garage door with the remote and pulled in and closed the door before he could turn around and come back my way. I watched the jerk drive by my house four times looking for me, with my hand on the grip on my hip. I avoided a potentially unpleasant interaction.

Who knows what drives people.
 
How did they defend themselves walking down the street, at home, etc... prior to owning a gun?

Folks didnt carry guns then, no gangs, no crime where we grew up. Had no fear walking down a road. Dad had his model 97 winchester, we felt safe.


As far as guns, we grew up with them, hunting and such. Never held one with the thought I would ever need to train it on a human being.

Avoidance isnt that hard. Dogs and lights for the home.
 
Some people like to prepare for unlikely eventualities.
Some ARE more fearful than they need be.

For me, the "hey carrying might just be a good idea" moment came shortly after I tried to be a "good witness." The police took about a half hour to respond, and for most of that time, I was waiting around with several rather drunk football players I was about to make a statement against. At least one of them REALLY wanted to be somewhere else, and seemed to be contemplating bowling me over in order to leave. I'm no match for a college lineman...and these were usually upstanding people!
Was that a case where a gun would be useful? No, probably not. But I realized I was completely unprepared to face a situation where somone with any fighting ability wanted to take me out of their equation.

My "hey, carrying probably IS a good idea" moment came after one of my friends from high school was murdered by an active shooter.

I definitely agree that a gun is ONLY a tool. It is only as useful as the situation and user make it. Avoidance and deescalation are certainly preferrable to violence! People who buy a gun for defense, then lock it away confuse me. I don't know why they think they are safer with a tool they don't know how to use in a hurry.
 
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A right unused is a right lost. I completely agree with BGutzman except with the taking out a tire thing. You would probably be stripped of your concealed carry if you did something of that nature. I cant say for sure I don't carry myself, I live in California so it is damn near impossible to get a permit. christcorp just because someone did not have a gun for protection before doesn't mean they should not have they just realized that there really is threat out there and they need to be fully prepared to protect themselves and others. Just having a firearm present a lot of the time is enough to deter potential threats.
 
I agree with a lot of what's been posted, but much of it seems extreme. E.g. seat belts and others. Basically going from one extreme of no gun to having a gun.

My major curiosity is with those who decide to get a gun, but become even more extreme with it. E.g. 18 round magazines and 2 spares in their pocket; 30 round .223 magazines in AR-15 rifles. It's like these people think that diehard movies are real life. They go from no weapons other than their mind to trying to be freaking Rambo. And they will defend their position with everything other than logic or facts. Instead, it's the "Better too much than not enough" mentality. Some very insecure people that don't trust themselves, but they trust that piece of plastic/metal that a person built.
 
“I carry a Colt 45 Officers model and have for years. The reason I started carrying was due to a couple of friends who were LEOs telling me about what had happened on their shifts.’ Sir has anything’s happened to you, and if you were armed at that time could you have stopped them?

“Is it unrealistic that your neighbor two houses down gets raped at home in broad daylight and your wife feels threatened by the proximity to the crime? If your wife had a weapon would she be able to get to it and would she be willing to use it if need be?


Is it unrealistic that two women who are driving downtown Minneapolis are shot at several times by unknown assailants for no other reason than being in a vehicle going down the same road? The women having a weapon would not have prevented this from happening, at best all they would have been able to do was return fire and who knows what or whom they would have it shooting from a moving auto.

How about the fellow that goes to a bar with two or three friends and throws darts and gets killed on the way home for the three dollars he has left in his wallet?” In many states you cannot C/C in any establishment that serves alcohol, so he may not have had his weapon with him. If the victim did have a weapon with him would it have made any difference, or would the person who murdered him have ended up with $3.00 and the victim’s weapon.

Sadly we live in what is becoming a much more violent time and anyone of us can be the victim of a violent crime at any time. I also understand that we can no longer count on society as a whole and law enforcement to protect us the way we did not to many years ago. I applaud and support those who have made the decision to no longer be a victim if possible, but those in my opinion who feel the need to have a weapon in every room of their home, one in car, and several on their person along with multiple reloads have to one degree or another have lost some contact with the real world. Based on 27 years L.E. experience I will state that the armed citizen will never be in a protracted shoot out and perhaps only 1 in 10,000 cops will be.

Yes, I don’t leave my house with out a weapon one of two short barreled .357 magnums and if I think about it one speed strip with five extra rounds.
 
Instead, it's the "Better too much than not enough" mentality.

And just how is that mind-set inappropriate if you are in a real (as opposed to a "what if" scenario) life or death confrontation with, say, multiple armed assailants?
 
I doubt that I will ever need a gun for self defense. My shotgun and .22 rifles have been needed for around the farm type things...

But my fun guns are just that. I don't need them, I enjoy them. Some people feel the need to justify having fun guns by worrying about zombies or mongols or obama. To each his and her own.
 
Carry gun, bathroom gun, truck gun , car gun , desk gun, recliner gun,closet gun,....cause I can ....:)

They are useless without an operator . Deal with the treat with like force...not a gun first ...but your BRAIN...but it is nice to know it is there if needed
 
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