Curious about the opposition on lead ammo switch

[brickeyee]

Keep in mind that metallic lead is so stable bullets are left in shooting victims all the time with no issue.
The sinovial fluid in joints is about the only thing that can leach lead.

Even eating pieces of lead is not going to result in any significant absorption unless the lead is a finely divided powder with a huge surface area.

You need some very specific chemistry to release lead from the metallic form into the ecosystem, and it rarely occurs.

Lead oxides are very stable, and form on the surface preventing any further contact.

 

[kraigwy]

Lead Ban????

It's strategy, if you can't go up the middle, you flank them.

The point has been reached where you can't go after guns, so flank, do an end run, regulate ammo.

It would cost me a mint if I had to switch from lead to non lead bullet. You cant take my guns so restrict my shooting by making it more expensive.

If lead bothers you, shoot out side, wash your hands after loading and/or shooting.

If you are concerned about breathing while shooting, then wear one of those mast those bird flu people wear.

Many indoor ranges ban the use of lead bullets, thats fine, its their range, I'll shoot on my range.

I've been shooting a long time, I cast a huge majority of my bullets, all of my pistol bullet, been doing it for about 40 years. Yearly I get a VA physical. In doing so I get checked for lead. They've found no dangerous lead levels in my system.

Basically what I'm saying is, you don't like lead bullet, fine, but LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. The bullets I shoot on my private range is no body's business be mine and the Lords. He doesn't care. He made the lead for me to shoot.

 

[Sarge]

LOL Kraig, as usual you saved me some typing.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Someone posted a link to the exception in the EPA rule about the use of lead ammo.

About a year ago, an environmental group tried to sue the EPA to force them to ban lead bullets. It was thrown out because the law specifically exempted bullet manufactures or the use of lead bullets. I can not find the links, but I do believe I have the gist of the case down.

 

[Merad]

Basically what I'm saying is, you don't like lead bullet, fine, but LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. The bullets I shoot on my private range is no body's business be mine and the Lords. He doesn't care. He made the lead for me to shoot.

How many thousands of pounds of lead have you sent downrange since you built your range? How many more will you send downrange before you die?

Does your will includes funds and instructions to clean up your range after you're gone? Or has "the Lord" agreed to take care of it for you? If the answer to both of those is no, then the problem of cleaning up your lead will fall on someone else, after you're gone.

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Honestly, the anti-anti-lead hysteria gets just as silly as the anti-lead hysteria itself. Lead is not about to lead to the destruction of all life on earth, but it is not a good thing. The sooner we can replace it the better.

 

[shootniron]

Does your will includes funds and instructions to clean up your range after you're gone? Or has "the Lord" agreed to take care of it for you? If the answer to both of those is no, then the problem of cleaning up your lead will fall on someone else, after you're gone.

Merad,

The point is, unless someone is going to walk around and pickup the lead and eat it...IT POSES NO PROBLEM. Lead does not leach into the soil.

For the life of me, I do not understand why people cannot grasp this pertinent fact.

 

[kraigwy]

How many thousands of pounds of lead have you sent downrange since you built your range?

Not near as much as I would have liked too.

How many more will you send downrange before you die?

As much as I can. My kids and grandkids are doing there best to help.

As to the Will, My kids are already fighting over who gets the range.

The back stop for my range is a large hill or ridge. Mostly rock, brush, 'n such. Behind it is another larger ridge (also on my property). I figure if I ever go broke, I'll mine the lead and cast more bullets.

Didn't lead come from the ground in the first place??

I find it odd, those who bitch about dangers of lead bullets are the same people pushing for electric cars and solar panels. Ever think about the hazard of the lead from storage batteries?

Anyway its gonna be hard to convince me the idiots wanting to ban lead bullets are more concerned with restricting guns and ammo then they are about our health.

But back to the lead piles after I'm dead. Got that covered also. In Wyoming you can have your own grave yard as long as you set asside 5 acres for it. So if some dude, years down the road don't want to get exposed to my lead, dont be digging around my bones.

 

[Casimer]

then the problem of cleaning up your lead will fall on someone else, after you're gone.

There will likely be no need to clean up the lead unless someone wants to use the land for some purpose that requires that it be removed. And FWIW removing the lead really isn't that big of a deal if it's been shot into berms.

 

[overkill0084]

I thought lead was dug out of the ground. The stuff we haven't mined yet, is it a hazard?

 

[Chaz88]

Lead as it exists in nature, and bullets, is very safe. In the summers I take care of a water treatment system for a cabin community in the Colorado mountains. I have panned the water source for gold and found huge quantities of lead oxide, no gold. The water is sent for testing several times during the summer and none of that lead is leaching into the water. I have also tested plumbing systems that were put together with lead more than 50 years ago, some of you probably have them, lead is not a problem in them either. As has been mentioned several times do not eat the lead and you will not have a problem. I would be more concerned about drinking out of leaded crystal often. Lead can, over a long time, leach when used in that form.

 

[brickeyee]

The point is, unless someone is going to walk around and pickup the lead and eat it...IT POSES NO PROBLEM. Lead does not leach into the soil.

Even if they ate the bullets sitting around they would not absorb any significant amount of lead.

It is a control issue to drive up costs.

Nothing more.

The danger in lead containing paints is NOT lead oxide pigments (and those went away a very long time ago).

It is lead acetate (AKA 'sugar of lead') tat was used as a gloss improver and drier in alkyd paint.

It both tastes sweet an is easily absorbed into the body, unlike metallic lead.

 

[Crosshair]

To this day they are still finding Mini-ball bullets from the Civil War. 150 years in the dirt and they are still full weight.

Ever think about the hazard of the lead from storage batteries?

They never do, it would mean that they couldn't buy a new cell phone every 6 months

If they do try to actually engage you they will accuse capitalism of being the cause of that pollution. One of the pillars of capitalism is private property in all stages of production and the rigid defense and enforcement of private property rights. If someone damaged another persons property then they either had to pay damages or buy out the property owner.

In the early 19th century factories were sued and made to pay damages when their coal dust soiled clothes on the washing line and fouled rivers and streams. Farmers sued railroads, who were made to pay damages, when sparks from trains set a farmers fields alight. Thus industry was motivated to be as clean as they could be to limit damages. Sometimes it was cheaper to pay damages, sometimes it was cheaper to clean up, like burning cleaner, though more expensive, types of coal.

As the century wore on the government stopped such lawsuits because encouraging the development of industry was in the interest of "the common good". It was only after that became the standard that you saw rivers becoming so polluted that they caught fire. The EPA and such in the 20th century was nothing more than the government trying to solve a problem that it created in the first pace.

Now that the western world has effectively cleaned up its act, political groups have to invent problems to achieve whatever political goal they have. At worst, the lead issue is an issue for private property owners to decide.