CSA Battle Flag

[rem33]

Wow, we agreed on something. And to throw a twist on things, I have no real familial connection to the Civil war. I'm a first generation American born from Asian immigrants.

OK I gave ya a A++ now you have REALLY impressed me, Welcome to America. I know thats way late but I mean it, mine came ( dads side) in 1732 to Jamestown Va.. Both sides of my family had members that fought for the confederacy.
On a side note one never surrendered, kept his sword he wasn't suppose to etc. a great great uncle or some such.
First generation huh? Immigration can be a very good thing if done right.

 

[applesanity]

Oh, my parents did their immigration ordeal legally. They waited and waited and waited until they got a sponsor. Then again, swimming the Pacific is a bit harder than than the Rio Grande. My high school is called J.E.B. Stuart. This one time, a parent got all offended at our school name at a PTA meeting. Then the other parents told him to shut up. And that parent's kid, was totally, thoroughly ripped on, the next day in school.

 

[Double J]

Applesanity, you have an advantage. You know your family's roots in America. My family met here. Some by boat in 1627. Some walked here from Asia when the big ice storm hit a few millenia ago. The hunting was better then. Keep a family record to pass on down. It won't be long until we'll be history ourselves and hopefully, we'll be worth reading about too.

 

[stevelyn]

It won't be long until we're history ourselves and hopefully, we'll be worth reading about too.

DJ,

I think that quote is worthy of being preserved in a sig line somewhere.
Doncha think?

 

[BlueTrain]

Here is yet another way to look at it. I didn't come up with this idea but it is insightful.

The south was inhabited by people who were mostly all alike but were fighting to be different. The north was full of people who were all different but were fight so that we would all be the same.

Another curious aspect of the war was that people often choose side, sometimes whether they wanted to or not, based on reasons other than where they had been born or what they thought of the issues. The grandfather of Jefferson Davis' wife Varina had been governor of New Jersey. Varina Davis even moved to New York after the war. The adjutant general of the Confederate Army, Samuel Cooper, was from New York, though his wife was from Virginia and was the granddaughter of George Mason.

To me, however, is the curious fact that the owner of the house in Appomatox, Virginia, where Lee surrendered, was owned by a man who had moved there from Manassas in order to avoid the war.

 

[HJB]

Granted this is a sensitive subject, but the Civil War was about slavery. The documents of secession from the various states all made it perfectly clear that the reason for seceding was to preserve the institution of Negro slavery. From the beginning, both sides knew why the south was seceding.

The fact that Lincolns main focus at the beginning was saving the union rather than abolishing slavery doesn’t change the root cause of the war.

That slaveholding states like Maryland and Kentucky did not secede doesn’t change the root cause of the war. If anything, it reflects well on the citizens of those states that chose loyalty to country, over loyalty to slavery.

That said, people who want to display the confederate flag certainly have the right, just as people who want to display the nazi symbol, or wear t-shirts with Che or Mau, etc. There is no law against romanticizing these movements.

Sherman?... a good general. Probably would not have risen as far as he did, if not for Grant. The criticism of the March to the Sea is exaggerated.

 

[Hugh Damright]

It is easy to say that slavery is wrong, but if your region was mostly African slaves, captured in a jungle and kept ignorant, I wonder how much of a hurry you would be in to set them all free so that they could take over your State.

I think that rule of law is a moral absolute. When yankees ratifed a Constitution that is the supreme law and then turned against it as if their feelings are the supreme law, I see nothing moral about it whatsoever. Yankees amended our Constitution by force, and I see nothing moral about that.

If I compare slavery and reconstruction, I find the institution of slavery to be the moral high ground. I think that yankees have disgraced themselves for all time with their reconstruction, and I do not feel that way about the South and slavery.

 

[Hugh Damright]

That slaveholding states like Maryland and Kentucky did not secede doesn’t change the root cause of the war. If anything, it reflects well on the citizens of those states that chose loyalty to country, over loyalty to slavery.

Hardly. Marylanders wanted secession, but the federal troops took over, the press was controlled, tens of thousands were jailed for peaceful assembly, elected representatives were replaced with federal puppets, until Maryland's free government was taken away and they wanted to secede and didn't know it. I think it demonstrates what the USBOR was intended to prevent.

Further, the South did not chose "loyalty to slavery over loyalty to country" ... The South chose loyalty to Country, Constitution, and rule of law, while yankees chose to turn against these things.

 

[Doug.38PR]

For me, the Confederate battle flag doesn't evoke feelings times gone by, tradition, and such, simply because I just don't have the roots. But I still believe in its original principles, standing up for yourself in the face of aggression, that spark of rebellion that we all have, and a willingness to fight for all that you hold dear. Oh, and getting the facts straight on your history lessons.

Ya know you having said that, I REALLY wish I could pull it up, but I remember seeing a picture about 2 or 3 years ago posted on DixieDailyNews.org of four BLACK soliders in south Sudan who were fighting against the moslem north. These BLACK men stood before the camera in the year 2000, plus or minus, with proud smiles on their faces holding their battle flag which they hoisted up in camp.....the Confederate Battle Flag with it's bloody field of red, and blue St. Andrew's Cross and 13 stars.
I'd love to have printed that out and mailed it to "thuh, Revrund" Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton.

 

[rem33]

Oh, my parents did their immigration ordeal legally. They waited and waited and waited until they got a sponsor. Then again, swimming the Pacific is a bit harder than than the Rio Grande

And it sounds like your a fine example of an American citizen even if we do disagree on some issues. You came and became American, It seems that so many of the ones that come illegally want to make my country Mexico. I am not trying to pick on Mexicans here I had many as friends as a kid in Calif. but they were Americans of Mexican heritage not Mexico citizens wanting the US to be Mexico. Also The guys I knew hand hung around with absolutely disposed the illegals even back 35- 40 years ago.

This country need good immigration not what happening. Folks that want to know Americas history and mindset and to wave the American flag not that green, white and orange one. Keep you heritage but be American if living here. rant rant I be shut up..Make me want to wave my Rebel flag this thread does.

These BLACK men stood before the camera in the year 2000, plus or minus, with proud smiles on their faces holding their battle flag which they hoisted up in camp.....the Confederate Battle Flag with it's

Ya gotta find that picture Doug.

 

[Marko Kloos]

It is easy to say that slavery is wrong, but if your region was mostly African slaves, captured in a jungle and kept ignorant, I wonder how much of a hurry you would be in to set them all free so that they could take over your State. [...] If I compare slavery and reconstruction, I find the institution of slavery to be the moral high ground.

I'd ask if you're joking, but I know that you aren't.

Lights out for this thread. Once more, I am ashamed to be lumped in with some of you just because we both own guns.