crimson trace grips

I don't want to develop a habit of holding my gun lower than my sight plane, or in a bad stance that may induce a malfunction because I don't always rely on a laser, I almost exclusively use iron sights. Skill at arms comes from muscle memory and repetition, I want to bring my gun to bear in the same fashion, with the same grip, every time if at all possible. I found myself getting sloppy with my form when shooting a laser.
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That has nothing to do with lasers. You should (whenever possible) bring the gunup into the same sighting plane, should use the same stance, should use the same grip, etc. with the laser that you do without the laser.
 
Buzzkill, I think you are assuming that you will always be able to line up your sights, get a good sight picture, and slowly squeeze the trigger. In a firefight, that's just not the case. Getting into that perfect shooting stance takes time and makes you a good target.

With the laser on, I practice shooting one handed, around obstacles, and anything else my range will let me get away with that isn't proper stance, just to have the experience.

Yes, if you keep your finger on the frame it will block the laser. It makes a great acquisition drill to block the laser and try to shoot (one handed or two) and hit the target.

I'd rather find out that something doesn't work at the range than when I've got someone else shooting back at me.

The laser also has an on/off switch at the bottom so you can completely turn it off.
 
yanges

can you turn the laser off when you do not want to use it, say for target shooting?
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Some of the units do in fact have a separate on/off switch in addition to the pressure switch that fires the laser when you grasp the grip. If the on/off is off nothing will happen when you press the pressure switch.

Some units do not have that separate on/off switch in addition to the pressure switch so with those models the system is always energized and ready to fire the laser the instant you hit the pressure switch.

S-
 
To add to what Selfdefenz said above, so long as you have not squeezed the activating button, the system is totally inert. Even if you leave the on/off switch on (all mine have this feature), no current flows from the battery until you squeeze the button. For that reason, I leave the on/off switch on all the time. I replace all my batteries, smoke alarm, lojack, car key thingies and Crimson Trace laser grips every six months. Those batteries are cheeeeep!

I came on a bit strongly on the subject of "good form" in my previous post, for which I apologize. Forty years ago, I was a bullseye competitive shooter (more enthusiastic than good), so I agree that repeatable grip, stance, breath control -- good form -- are vital in that sport. And in that sport, I don't see lasers as being useful. They certainly are not much help in the noonday sun. Their place is in HD/SD, where they really shine. (Could not resist that!)

Cordially, Jack
 
I have Crimson Trace grips on my S&W K frame .357......I range practice with and without them turned on. I believe they provide a much faster target picture in low light, but I don't know what the target would see....In my opinion, if the situation has reached that point, the rest is probably irrelevant....Honestly, I believe that laser grips do provide some advantage for the owners- and I think that is really what is important....Just my thoughts...
 
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i am considering getting a crimson trace grip for my revolver.

i am not familiar with them and was wondering if when you use these in a defensive situation, if the person you are aiming at is able to see it emanating from your revolver?
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Here's what I posted on another forum regarding the laser grip:

Hi all,

I wasn't sure where to post this, but thought it might be OK here.

I am considering putting a laser sight on my primary off duty gun. The main reason is to help ensure that my bullets go where I want them to in a defensive encounter.

I have heard of subjects stopping their aggressive actions once they noticed the "little red dot" placed on their chest. This gives an added benefit of stopping a situation without having to fire the weapon, which is a huge plus in my book.

Given that we can't predict all future encounters, and only try to be as well prepared as possible, I was wondering if anyone has any expirience with them and if they recommend them or not. I already have Night Sights and carry a Surefire Flashlight and cell phone whenever I carry my gun, which is pretty much all the time.

What I am trying to do is supplement, not replace, seeing my front sight and maintaining good trigger control. Since most encounters seem to happen in low or dim light I was thinking that in addition to what I already have and carry, that this might be beneficial.

The downside is, they are expensive. The upside is, they may help me get bullets on target once I have identified my target just a little quicker. Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter. I eagarly await your replies.

Biker
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Laser Grips for the Hi Power are great, IMHO.

From a rest I never shot such a tight group in my life. What I have found is, at "normal" combat distance, out to 10 Yards or so, I'm quicker with the Laser Grips between shots and in getting the first shot off. After that, as the distance inreases, I prefer the traditional sight picture.

It took me forever to get my laser grips "dialed in", but once I did, I was very pleased with the result. At longer distances I find the "quivering" too much of a distraction. As Massad Ayoob says, "Unless you're Robo-Cop" nobody can hold the gun perfectly still." At closer distances this isn't a problem, but when I try to keep five shots on a 3" x 5" Index Card at 25 Yards, it's too distracting with the laser. By the way, When I shoot at 25 Yards, that's from a free-standing position with the gun in my hands, not resting on a table.

I have yet to try the Laser Grips under all light conditions, but I already know what I prefer in dim light with my glasses off. Without my glasses I'm better with a laser than trying to see my front Sight.

Take care and stay safe and I hope that helps.

Biker
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First, green is easier to see, even in sunlight. The eye sees green better than red.

As for the Recoil Spring Bushing laser, I have a Crimson Trace Grip model as I find it works better from a "tactical" standpoint. I had to clear a yard tonight, and the laser was easily blocked so as to not give myself away to any hiding badguy. That's not easily done with the type of laser you asked about.

Biker
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I hope that helps.

Biker
 
LaserMax J-Max

what do you all think of this laser:

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as seen here:

http://www.lasermax.com/product.php?id=103


i like the position of the laser up higher and the pulsating option! :cool:
 
I prefer the Crimson Trace Laser Grips because it's easier to "block" the laser beam so as to not telegraph your location or movement.

As I was clearing that Yard I had a very firm grip on my gun and couldn't have kept the laser off even if I had wanted to. It's just something about adrenaline and the fecal matter hitting the rotating thingie. :)

Biker
 
I will NOT be without one.

I have a laser grip on my .45, it is my primary home defense gun, together with a Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.

After the alarm sounded...
My tactic is to get to the bedroom door and from there control the passage way and the living room, with the body protected by the frame and with only my half face exposed, one hand holding the pistol and the other hand the Borealis flashlight.

With a laser is not need to line up your face with the pistol, no tunnel vision, no exposing body parts to get into a shooting position.
If you are going to have a gunfight, this is the best way!

This, for me is the most valuable feature of the laser.

The flashlight with the 1050 lumens (two millions candlepower) will cook the eyes of an intruder.

Colt .45 with laser grips and the Borealis 1050 lumens flashlight.


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I also have a Laser Grip on my carry gun, a Smith & Wesson Chief Special.

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Cheers

Black Bear
 
Some time ago Smith and Wesson held a laser sighted only handgiun competition. Most of the top handgun shooters were there. Seeing them shoot in daylight matches later, with iron sights and etc.. I could not see where some laser shooting spoiled their form.... If you can get the Outdoor channel you might catch a repeat of this and a couple other shows that dealt with laser grips and laser sighting. According to Crimson Trace's spokes-shooter you can shoot accurately from places and positions you would never be able to do using any other sights. I tried a couple with mine and they were right.
 
I've Got Them...

On a XD 9mm, and love the things, I rarely use them at the range, but it's a great addition to any self defense weapon in my opinion. As far as getting them adjusted correctly, mine were nearly perfect out of the box, it only took one very small tweak of the lateral adjustment, less than 1/4 turn of the adjusting screw.
 
At my indoor range today, a fellow two stalls down had a handgun with a green laser sight. Don't know what it was because he left before I did, but it was REALLY visible against the shredded-tire bullet stop 25 yards away. My Crimson Trace red lasers are barely visible against that black backdrop, though fine at ten yards. It was apparent that he was manually turning the green laser on and off, because its dot danced all over the place -- rather distracting in fact (as was his flinch!).

I had read somewhere that green lasers are much more visible to the human eye than red ones. I can now confirm that. But I also judge my setup to be more useful, because it only comes on when I squeeze the grip -- a very natural move when preparing to fire. And I don't need to defend home/hearth/self from 25 yards.

Cordially, Jack
 
I've always wanted to look into CT grips and thought they'd be a great idea. Then I got a steal of a deal and bought a set for my XD. Now i have a problem.....I cant have a carry/defensive gun without them! they are great, not only for the idea of target recognition, being able to shoot from an akward position, but they are great for training. With the gun EMPTY/or with snap caps, dry fire drills are great with a laser sight b/c you can watch the dot on the wall and see how it reacts as you fire. if you see the dot moving around, you know immediately that there is a slight problem and what you can do to correct it
 
Laser sights are good for close range, melee type shooting situations. In other words, across the room situations where you want a quick, accurate shot. Snap shooting would be another way of saying it. Look at the target, put the laser dot where you want it and fire. The nice thing is that if you have multiple targets and practice with lasers, you can nail those targets real fast.
 
I find myself staring at the laser not the sights which doesn't promote good form
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OMG MY GOODNESS!! HA HA HA!! :D:D I am chuckling so heavily that my broken arm hurts!

The whole point of having laser sights is to use them!

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We all know that Lasergrips are the hot setup. Just curious when the SD trainers will 'see the light'.

My SD guns:
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