Credit card companies may discriminate against gun purchases

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This is not yet a red alert, just something to keep an eye on. Credit card companies are starting to push their morality on card members. First, internet porn, then gun owners? News at the "credit card icon" at:
National CCW Reciprocity Foundation http://www.NationalCCW.com

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Presently, competition between credit card companies is very fierce. I routinely get a couple of offers each month promising me a low rate if I switch over my balance from another card and open up an account with them. Any credit card company gives me a hard time about gun purchases and they're history as far as I am concerned -- I've switched banks for less serious offenses.
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If I EVER have a problem using my RUGER or NRA MC/Visa, I'll be going round and round with somebody.
I only wish that more people recognized the logos on the cards.
 
If I can find my magnifying glass, I'll go and look at the National CCW page.

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I've seen you announce things on TFL many times, but don't remember you ever staying around to dialog. But, I'll try anyway.

What do you base your report on? Any sources?

Thanks.

Live and let live. Regards from AZ
 
This NationalCCW fellow is just trying to draw hits to his page. Most of his little "alerts" amount to little more than whipping up the masses. After the first couple of times I followed his link and found little or nothing of substance, I started ignoring him.
 
proximo, I started ignorning him long ago while I was still over at AR15.com. You are correct, he is trying to whip up hits on his page. Things are always blown way overboard. Kind of like the exact opposite of the mainstream news Media.
 
TMoney,

How does one get an NRA credit card? I don't see anything on the NRA's website regarding it.

Thanks

Horny Toad




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I imagine that this is urban legend. It is too open to lawsuit from stores as well as individuals. Restraint of trade; personal damage due to embarrassment, etc.

As well, gunowner boycotts are proving more and more to be effective. For 95% of the modern business world, money is far more important than "message".

:), Art
 
I'd like to personally thank NationalCCW for his vigilance in bringing this to the attention of the forum. I believe a few people on this thread owe him an apology. Everyone please read the following two news releases from the well-respected Second Amendment Foundation. Both news releases can be verified at www.ccrkba.org or www.saf.org
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NEWS RELEASE
Second Amendment Foundation
12500 NE Tenth Place · Bellevue, WA 98005
(425) 454-7012 · FAX (425) 451-3959 · www.saf.org

For Immediate Release
Contact: John Barnett (425) 454-7012

CITIBANK/CITIGROUP FACES NATIONAL
BOYCOTT BY GUN OWNER GROUP

In response to Citibank's refusal to accept accounts of lawful firearms businesses, the Second Amendment Foundation has called for a nationwide boycott of Citibank and all other members of the CitiGroup Conglomerate.

"Let's make ourselves heard as a unified voice to protect free enterprise and our basic civil rights! Call Citibank now and boycott their businesses," proclaimed John Barnett, Executive Director of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF).

This battle began with a February 7, 2000 letter from Citibank to the Nevada Pistol Academy stating that their recently approved account would be closed in ten days "due to Citibank not maintaining accounts for businesses that deal in weapons." This letter revealed an otherwise secret policy of refusing accounts from lawful federally licensed firearm-related businesses.

While this arbitrary discrimination was originally thought to be only a regional decision, Citibank vice president of public affairs, Mark Rodgers, admitted last Friday this was an ongoing, national policy. He also stated that this hidden policy dates to at least the early 1990s.

"If they discriminate against firearm businesses, then individual gun owners should boycott all of their businesses," proclaimed Barnett. "Lost revenue does wonders to change biased, discriminatory business practices."

Citibank is headquartered in New York City and is a subsidiary of CitiGroup, a worldwide corporation that handles credit cards, as well as corporate and consumer banking accounts. A boycott is called for against all members of CitiGroup, including Citibank, AT&T Universal Card, CitiGroup Foundation, CitiFinancial, Global Corporate & Investment Banking, Primerica Financial Services, Salomon Smith Barney, SSB Citi Asset Management Group, Travelers Property Casualty Corp., and Travelers Life & Annuity. See www.citigroup.com and http://www.citibank.com/citigroup/lob/sub/gconb/mid.htm for more places to boycott!

"With firearms in half the U.S. households, Citibank is risking a great deal of business. The goal now is to educate the American People about this despicable act and force Citibank to withdraw its offensive policy," said Barnett. "SAF successfully boycotted Columbia Sportswear several years ago to prevent corporate donations to anti-gun causes, and we expect to win here as gun owners voice their displeasure in Citibank's distrust of law-abiding citizens."

In addition to cutting up Citibank credit cards, people should contact Citibank to voice their displeasure. Here are a few good phone numbers:

The Financial Center for Citibank: 702-796-3719
Customer Service Directory: 800-285-3000
Corporate Communication Office: 718-248-1092
Telephone Banking Service: 800-756-7047


Or write to them at:

Citibank
Legal Department
701 60th St. N.
P.O. Box 6034
Sioux Falls, South Dakota 57117

The Second Amendment Foundation is a tax-deductible education, legal defense, research and publishing organization founded in 1974 and has over 600,000 individual citizen supporters nationwide. It previously has funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles, New Haven, CT, and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners.

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NEWS RELEASE
Second Amendment Foundation
12500 NE Tenth Place · Bellevue, WA 98005
(425) 454-7012 · FAX (425) 451-3959 · www.saf.org

For Immediate Release
Contact: Alan Gottlieb (425) 454-7012


BOYCOTT OF CITIBANK/CITIGROUP
SUCCESSFUL BY GUN OWNER GROUP


Citibank, a member of CitiGroup, has agreed to drop its biased policy of refusing accounts of lawful firearms businesses in response to the Second Amendment Foundation's boycott. Citibank will now treat "small firearms businesses" the same as other businesses "using the same standards" according to a Citibank media statement.

"This is a sweet victory for all law-abiding gun owners across the country," proclaimed Alan Gottlieb, Founder of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF). "It ends more than a decade of silent discrimination, and I couldn't be more pleased."

This battle began with a February 7, 2000 letter from Citibank to the Nevada Pistol Academy stating that their recently approved account would be closed in ten days "due to Citibank not maintaining accounts for businesses that deal in weapons." This letter revealed an otherwise secret policy of refusing accounts from lawful federally licensed firearm-related businesses.

While this arbitrary discrimination was originally thought to be only a regional decision, Citibank vice president of public affairs, Mark Rodgers, recently admitted this was an ongoing, national policy. He also stated that this hidden policy dates to at least the early 1990s.

"Now this policy is ended," stated Gottlieb. "This is the second major boycott victory for the Second Amendment Foundation, the first was against Columbia Sportswear for their corporate donation to an anti-gun organization several years ago. Columbia Sportswear has been solidly pro-gun rights ever since."

Citibank is headquartered in New York City and is a subsidiary of CitiGroup, a worldwide corporation that handles credit cards, as well as corporate and consumer banking accounts. CitiGroup includes Citibank, CitiGroup Foundation, CitiFinancial, Global Corporate & Investment Banking, Primerica Financial Services, Salomon Smith Barney, SSB Citi Asset Management Group, Travelers Property Casualty Corp., and Travelers Life & Annuity.

"This boycott victory should help deter other businesses from enacting similar discriminatory practices in the future," concluded Gottlieb."

The Second Amendment Foundation is a tax-deductible education, legal defense, research and publishing organization founded in 1974 and has over 600,000 individual citizen supporters nationwide. It previously has funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles, New Haven, CT, and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners.

CLICK HERE FOR A COPY OF THE
ORIGINAL BOYCOTT RELEASE!

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The Citibank thing is very old news, Randy; NationalCCW even says that on his website.

The fact is, there is no supporting evidence that I have seen that any credit card company is disallowing its card-holders to buy firearms or gun-related items, only "adult entertainment" items.
 
Yes, this is old news... and all of it reported here on The Firing line long before NationalCCW picked up on it.

The biggest problem I have with NationalCCW is that he's spamming the pro-gun websites (this one, ar15.com, glocktalk.com, etc, etc). He takes old news, throws his dubious conjecture on top of it, posts it then leaves without ever hanging around to debate his crap. He has no interest in debating anything, he just wants all of us to hit his web site so he can get his counter up. With increased hits comes increased advertising revenue.

If you want the news from the source, then go to saf.org. Better yet, just hang out here on The Firing Line and you'll find out everthing you need to know as soon as its available. Yes, there is plenty of B.S. here to filter out but most everything of importance is posted here as soon as its available.

[This message has been edited by proximo (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
Bluesman & proximo: Yes, it's old news to you and me. But in the less than 2 weeks since I signed on at this forum, I notice that an additional hundred or so new members have signed on. If it was covered on this forum several months ago, I'm sure you've picked up hundreds more new members since the news appeared. These hundreds of new members may not be aware of this.

Under the current liberal assault on 2A rights, 2A organizations have picked up tens of thousands of new members. Most of these people are neophytes (new converts) to the cause and know virtually nothing compared to you guys who are regulars here. So it doesn't hurt to recycle important news items every several months for the benefit of newer forum members.

Besides, please show me where NationalCCW said this is actually happening. Neither his post above or website claims that it is happening. He specifically claims on his website that it is not happening right now, but mentions that we should keep an eye out. Doesn't sound like bad, unreliable or self-serving advice to me.

His website offers alot of good info on legislation etc. that most gunowners aren't aware of and/or aren't taking action on. The site is definitely on-topic. I don't see a problem with him posting his link. If his site was just trying to sell products, then yes, it would be self-serving.

NationalCCW isn't making any hysterical claims, he simply advises us to keep an eye on this. Certainly sound advice. Is there some forum rule that requires him to stick around and dialogue on the topic? This is a bulletin board, not live chat. People are free to post on-topic items-- if they don't stick around, who really cares? Anybody who doesn't like him or his site isn't forced to read his posts or follow his links.



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Randy, NationalCCW hasn't contributed much, if anything, to this or any other online forum he's "contributed" to. Over and over, he tosses inflamatory rhetoric into the discussion then disappears. You have the right to your opinion about how much this is worth. Personally, I think there's enough hot headed B.S. presented on all these forums without NationalCCW making it worse. Verifiable facts are worth a hell of a lot more than inflamatory hot air.


[This message has been edited by proximo (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
I've said this before, if you don't like it don't go there. No one had a problem with me when I reported the smith & wesson sell out 2 days before it was made public. No problems when I reported Dick Cheney's pro-gun record before the national media. No problems when I said Smith & wesson was for sale back in December as the news is now being made public.
Credit card have never restricted how the cards are used until now, with the internet porn. Citibank has already shown it self to be anti-gun. You tell me how long it will be before our guns become offensive items, which the credit cards refuse to deal with. How long before greedy lawyers sue the credit card companies for allowing gun purchases? If you can sue the gun makers, you can sue anyone, there is no more responsiblility in this country. So I'm going to keep an eye out for the rest of us. Later.

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National CCW Reciprocity: http://www.homestead.com/njccw/nationalccw.html
 
GENTLEMEN...

Flaming bad. Take offline.

Like NationalCCW sez, if you don't like his site, don't go there. No one's forcing you to read his posts or visit his site.
 
So some of you don't thing that credit card firearms purchases are being refused? Let me tell you about two specific situations that happened to my brother not long ago regarding Amex.

We were picking up a pistol at a reputible gun exchange and when my brother went to pay with his Amex, it was refused! He was infuriated because there was no reason for this to happen. We both own businesses and use Amex regularly and pay large balences each month. To save face, he paid in cash and left. When he got home he called Amex and they said they couldn't figure out what happened and sent him a letter and the gun dealer a letter apoligizing for their mistake.

About a week later, we went back to pickup some ammo and other items. Once again his card was refused. This time he called Amex right from the phone at the register. Turns out that Amex had decided to initially refuse any firearms or firearms related purchases. If the cardholder challenged it, they'd ok the sale but only after a call. My brother read them the riot act on the phone and they once again apoligized and sent the sale through. It has not happened again, at least to us but this is not to say it won't happen to someone else. Once credit card companies start this type of BS it will only start the ball rolling. Don't think for a moment that these guys won't try this stunt on you.

I'm not a alarmist and I try to verify all the facts of any story I read. I am not hyperbolizing any of this story I've related. It did happen just as I've related. Curiously, I use a gold Amex and I've never had a problem. But I'm waiting.

Rome
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Horny Toad:
TMoney,

How does one get an NRA credit card? I don't see anything on the NRA's website regarding it.

Thanks

Horny Toad

That's a good question . I would probably be interested in one . Someone please send me yours and let me try it for a while and see if I can easily get Glocks and a few Ruger Mark 1 rifles in various calibers . If it works on these small items I will send yours back and apply for one of my own . Thanks again . Contact me for snail mail address to send it to .


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I don't know about an NRA credit card, but Remington has one. The application is in the back of their current catalog.
 
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