CPHV.COM just recieved their certified letter from HCI/CPHV.org

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John/az2

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It's official. We just got our letter from HCI/CPHV.org to "cease and desist" or face their temper tantrum in court.

It's the first threat... there will be more to follow.

Here are the scanned pages of the letter:
www.cphv.com/lawsuit.html

El Jefe and I are in the same boat! Two mosquitos on the butt of the elephant!

Kinda exciting... when it rains it pours!

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

See The Legacy of Gun Control film at: www.cphv.com

Do it for the children...
 
Did you tell them to go pound dirt or are you going to ignore it?
 
Don't call them, Don't Mail them. MEET THEM in person, where nothing is "on record", and sort this out. I would. Together, we'd chit-chat glee fully about the terrible misunderstanding, until they, now seeing things through my, understood COMPLETELY!!
 
They threaten to sue for damages? Hope an angel with bucks helps step on em.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
John, may I suggest that you chat, at least briefly, with Alan Korwin and Mike Anthony about this issue (Alan can help you reach Mike). You know Alan, and Mike is Alan's co-author (on 'Gun Laws of America'), as well as being an attorney. For example, I'll bet Mike would at least offer some advice, or steer you to an attorney that would give you a little pro bono guidance. The Lawyer's Second Amendment Society ( www.thelsas.org ) might be helpful as well.

My advice would be to not blow this off. To be frank, I suspect you'll be best off to just give them the domain name. However, find out your alternatives. Research this law, and contact Network Solutions or whomever sold you the domain name. There are probably alternatives that will serve your goals to some extent ... perhaps cphvsucks.com or something.

Don't piss up the proverbial rope, don't fall on your sword, and don't take this too hard. Please realize this - even if you need to use another domain name, you've already done a great deal of good. You've delivered an important message to thousands of people. You've learned more about the 'net, marketing, software and the RKBA. It may simply be time to move on.

Part of fighting a war, or building a movement, is adapting to change, and recognizing that it is time for a new strategy. Just don't take this too hard, and don't let them hurt you. You're too good of a guy. And, the RKBA needs you.

Best wishes. Regards from AZ
 
I'm with Lawdog. Get some friendly media types involved. Someone like Sean Hannity may be interested, as pro-gun and liberal-disliking as he seems to be. Bill O'Reilly seems big on the free speech issue, so perhaps he'll take it on from that angle. There are many other potentials too, but I don't have time to post them all now.
 
Sorry, Jeff Thomas, I have to disagree.

They want John and El Jefe's domain names just like they want their arms.

Give them a response, just like they requested, guys: Molon Labe! "Come and get them!"

Count me in for the fight.

You wouldn't just turn in your guns (protected under the 2nd). Don't just turn in your domains (protected under the 1st). Neither of them belongs to HCI, CPHV, or the Gov. They are your property. You paid for them. Fight for them! :mad:
 
Kingcreek - you beat me to the same thought - maybe those antis who donate will get frustrated watching their $$ blown on attorney fees for chasing rabbits... better yet, maybe John's work will get across to anti contributors - like "Why are you wasting my $$ like that? Is there something you aren't telling us? Hmmm. Maybe those gun guys know something we don't. Let's take another look."

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The Handgun: In a real pinch, the Great Equalizer.
 
I'm thinking that HCI is working the "name recognition" angle - kinda like ordering a "Coke" and being served "Pepsi". While Corporations with "trademarks" do have an interest in protecting such trademarks, it may altogether be a different issue with HCI. I would take it that they're not 501(c)3 (non-profit educational) since they engage in politics and lobbying (unless they have a separate political action committee which they fund). I'm wondering if the ACLU could be used to your advantage?
 
It is quite clear that this is a coordinated, well orchestrated attack. The two parody sites have hurt them. They are now out for "payback". It's very much like the bogus lawsuits against gun manufacturers. The point isn't to WIN, the point is to bankrupt you.

Keep that in mind. The alert about this attack MUST be immediately sent out all over the country. Get conservative media involved, as well as conservative congress "people". Someone call Rush Limbaugh (quickly). The ACLU won't help you, as to do so is to support, albeit obliquely, gun rights. And we all know that such support would mean their instant death.

Get it out on shortwave. Start donations coming in. If you don't, those SOB's will end up winning, even if only for the fact that you lose everything putting on your defense.

Get moving. The clock's ticking....

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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H.L. Mencken
 
I believe that there is great potential for unifying the various pro-rights, anti-control organizations if it is handled properly. HCI has stuck it's ugly head up and given us a target of phenominal potential.

My head is spinning, as is El Jefe's. It's gotten quite large and frankly, we both never thought it would go this far.

Jeff, I hear you, and I understand your concern. We have twenty (20) days to form a game plan, but I will not roll over and submit.

If we turn it over to someone else, it will be a pro-rights, anti-control organization that has an established base of supporters and wider organized finacial resources.

KeepAndBearArms.com is chomping at the bit for a good knock-down, drag-out fight with HCI, and transfering ownership of these domains, he believes, will give them that very opportunity.

In these types of situations, it is my understanding, that often skeletons come out of the closets.

Exposing HCI for the anti-American freedom organization that they are would be well worth the fight.

We won't make a difference with a hard-core anti. But, the spectators of the debate will certainly be influenced. I believe we need to make this case known as far and as wide as possible, so that they realize (or not) that even in winning they will lose.

Sincerely,


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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

See The Legacy of Gun Control film at: www.cphv.com

Do it for the children...
 
To all who would exhort John to fight the good fight, that say they'll fight with him, back him up, etc. ... I would respectfully point out that it is John who is being sued, he has no 'corporate veil', and his assets can be drained as well as HCI's.

John ... remember our attempt to put an ad in USA Today (FOUP)? The vast majority of the money for this deal is coming out of your pocket, and very few others.

John, fight as you wish - that's great. But, get some legal counsel right away, and don't get yourself into a mess that ruins your family's finances. Richer men than you have been damaged by litigation.

Regards from AZ

[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited October 21, 2000).]
 
Yes, Jeff. I will not do this alone. That would, indeed be suicide. I already have some things set up for during and after the demonstration in Glendale.

Thanks. And I mean that. :)

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

See The Legacy of Gun Control film at: www.cphv.com

Do it for the children...

[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited October 21, 2000).]
 
I have a good plan.

Set up some HCI domains in other 1st-level-domains like .ch
(Switzerland). Then have them come for us.

My father will work pro bono if he can bust lots of antis.

And I know enough Germans who's just too 'trigger'-happy when the
antis start sueing them.
 
Isn't it interesting how they are so willing to destroy someone's life (as only a law suit can) in order to protect their rights?

And yet, they preach and lobby for laws against anyone else who would defend their own right to life.

Ain't hypocrocy grand! :mad:

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

See The Legacy of Gun Control film at: www.cphv.com

Do it for the children...

[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited October 21, 2000).]
 
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