Coyote Attack(almost)

Elmousmc...
Okay,, sorry man. Caught me off guard, your demeanor in the post suggested that you were scared, The subsequent posts triggered affirmation in it.
Anyway, it's hard to picture a coyote being that aggressive and I will admit that it may be different in more suburban settings where the tree huggers and life in general have allowed their populations to swell since hardly anyone hunts them like out here. I would say a solid third or more of the people driving our roads out here are carrying a rifle of sorts and will use it as quickly as possible.. If you want to see something fast, just start stepping on your brakes, coyotes blast off.
Again, notice. I apologized.
elkman06
 
ELKMAN: No apology was necessary:) I was just stating that in many years of hunting song Dogs I have never had them react like that to a gunshot or a Human in plain sight and close proximity.As you said in most case's the mere scent of humans sends them into the next county.They had decomposed enough that the state DNR would not do a test for rabies.Their over all appearence was of healthy male animals,they were in the process of shedding their winter coats.no mange and only a few ticks and no noticable injurys other than the Hornet wound and a lot of #4 buck holes.I just hope this was an isolated case and not the norm.This area is mostly rural,but there is a housing development about 3 miles east of here and IMHO They are spending alot of their time in and around that area and have lost their natural fear of humans Good luck and good shooting ELMOUSMC
 
New information,VERY unsetteling

One of my friends has a landscaping business and has several customers in the upscale housing development East of here.These are large homes and sit on acre or better lots.During the winter he does snow removable and on more than 1 occasion he has seen residents taking food to the woods surrounding the area to "to feed the poor things" that sure clears up a lot of questions I had about the odd behaivor of the 2 song dogs I encountered.ELKMAN you gotta love those tree huggers.Maybe when little fluffy or fido come up missing they relize what they have created but I doubt it! I just hope no little kid turns into a snack I hope what went on in New Jersey dosen't happen here ELMOUSMC
 
Elmousmc,, Much like the cute and fuzzy bunniiiiis er I mean wolves that the Feds shoved up our cute and fuzzy a@@@es out here in Wyo. The tree huggers are turning inside out that they are now sitting squarely in the crosshairs of a lot of people now that they are off of the endangered species list. LOL
elkman06
 
Bounty for dogs

Whatever happened to the bounty that was placed on yotes and wolves? We never had that where I live but I would love to see N.J. do it. Too many bunny huggers in this state and not enough politicians with brass ones to even try it. Its pretty bad when the tree huggers get our bear season closed down because they say they can sterilize em. Yeaaaaaaah rite! Just like they say that the coyotes here are good for nature but you never see them people out in the woods(only in malls) because something might eat them. LOL
Our biggest problem is that someone is gonna have to get killed or mauled bad before they do something about it. And believe me, We have had alot of yote and bear attacks here but they keep alot of them quiet and give the people bear proof garbage cans so it dont happen again. ROFL, This state is crazy.:D Reality is that we have an average of 9 bears per sq. mile in Sussex county and the coyotes are way beyond that. Time to start a bounty program here.
 
With the population consentration of New Jersey and the # of Bears and coyotes present it is only a matter of time until a tragedy occures.If you go to WWW.Varmintals.com he has a whole page of coyote attacks on humans.When the Tree huggers and the Bunnie lovers hold sway over the DNR in any state you can bet that the natural order is going to go to sh*t.Look at what Elkman said the Feds intro duced the wolf into an area that is famous for live stock production.I was armed and went with the intension of hunting song dogs but had I been a bird watcher or a flower picker it could have had a very different ending.ELMOUSMC
 
ELMOUSMC, Its not the fish and game division, Its Governor Corzine that shut it down because some stupid lady started a bear rights group and enlisted all the PITA and Animal rights people and protested for weeks. We also had a pro bearhunt protest but it fell on deaf ears. The matter has been in court with SCI and NRA attorneys backing us up for 5 years now and the stupid judges are saying there isnt enough research for a bear hunt.(Judge bunny hugger) We had an incident last week where a lady came home from food shopping and was met by a 200# black bear in her kitchen that climbed in a window:eek:. There have been an average of 300 bear and coyote human incidents and 97 bear and yote livestock kills(Including Cows and Llamas) for the last 2 years and its getting higher every year. The Fish and Game division is fighting it along with the sportsman and it seems like its gonna be an endless battle till someone or someones kid gets killed. They have also trapped 2- 650-700# black bears. When they are that big its a real problem to stop them. Its time to get a sportsman in the Governors office and not a tree hugger.:D< Running for Governor. lol
 
Mike I wish that were the case here,Our DNR is in the pocket of the ASPCA and PETA along with our Governor.Iowa(at least this part) is over run with Deer and Turkeys so like wise the" Yote "population is increasing.The DNR has limited the # of in state permits(Turkey and Deer) to make more available to out of state hunters.It sounds like NJ and WY along with Iowa and how many others are bearing the brunt of gross mismanagement by our state government and some where along the line there is going to be a really tragic result ELMOUSMC
 
Our DNR is in the pocket of the ASPCA and PETA
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Is this true about the ASPCA ? Do they have an anti-hunting agenda ?

I know HSUS does. I love to send their contribution solicitation prepaid envelopes back to them with NRA literature. I haven't been able to find evidence that the ASPCA is on the socialist bandwagon, though.
 
I live in MA and coyote encounters are increaseing here as well. Quite a few pets go missing. A lot of the liberals are of the thought "oh he (or she) just ran away....". They refuse to admit FLUFFY may have been a yotes lunch.

My wife and I had an encounter with a couple a few years back while takeing the dog for a walk out on the conservation land. We were walking along the trail when I spotted a coyote. Ralphie (our english setter at the time) spotted the coyote at the same time and took off after it. Must have thought it was another dog wanting to play and took chase. They both went up and over a small hill when I noticed another coyote trying to sneak around the back. I let a round of 45 fly but missed.

Ralphie was right back at our side upon hearing the report, thinking it was time to go hunting. The coyotes weren't anywhere to be found after the shot. Makes me wonder if the coyotes were working as a team and trying to ambush the dog.

Coyotes are becomeing too comfortable around people, but don't like the sound of gunfire. If up in Maine deer hunting I have sent a few their maker and never batted an eye. Would do it again as well.
 
On two occasions I have had coyotes continue to come in after one was killed. One persistent coyote approached within 10 yards after two of his buds were killed with my .22 K-Hornet: Made it three for three.
 
One Theory?

A few years ago I was reading an article comparing mountain lions in Oregon to the ones in California. I don't remember where I saw it or who wrote it. But the author had an interesting theory about wild cat behavior in those two states.

Oregon has cougar hunting and California doesn't. In Oregon, if a mountain lion is born with a genetic predisposition to be bolder towards humans it doesn't live long. Those are the cats are most likely taken out of the gene pool by hunters. The opposite is happening in Oregon's southern neighbor.

In California, being human bold is an advantage. More food is available around human settlement. Therefore these cats are reproducing more and passing this gene along.

This was a theory to help explain why the cats in California are bolder then the ones in Oregon. I wonder if this can be applied to coyotes.
 
Makes me wonder if the coyotes were working as a team and trying to ambush the dog.
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A friend of mine in NV lost a good Brittany to coyotes that were teaming up. My Brittany got away from a couple of coyotes just last year with only minor injury. I watched coyotes course deer in NV, when one would get tired, another would take over, chasing the deer in a circle until it came back by the first one, then they would switch off again. They are an extremely intelligent animal!
 
Behavior Change

I was watching one of those nature shows. It was about the reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone. Prior to the wolves, the coyotes had formed packs. With wolves around they have become solitary scavengers again.

The wolves hate the coyotes, they attack them every chance they get. Apprently this has caused a change in the coyote behavior.

One more thing. I have seen some good-sized coyotes around here. But on that show they showed a couple of wolves taking one down. The wolves made the coyotes look like lap dogs in size comparison.
 
Roy: I agree with that premise if a bitch coyote has her litter in close proximity to humans it would stand to reason that the young would over time lose their fear of humans,and would in turn pass that trait on to their young. I have tried over the past couple of years to gain access to a few of the up scale housing developments in this area and have been told time and again that there are covenates in their deeds that don't allow firearms to be used for ANY! reason(protection of life and property?)I will continue to hunt the perimiters of these ares as it is apperent that where most of the song dogs go for lunch ELMOUSMC
 
Coyotes can and do work in tandem(or more) to flank and attack prey. A friend of mine had several attempting to kill his dog one night last summer while he was camping. It is definitely NOT unusual to see them traveling in pairs.
I would hesitate to call any of their traits, trends as being genetic though. It is primarily learned behavior. Just as I described out here that rapid decelleration of a pickup means bullets to our local yotes.
Just like the yuppy joggers that occasionally get nabbed by cats in Colorado, the cats have learned that fifi the poodle and small humans represent lunch. With noone hunting them and thusly teaching them that humans represent death, they can and will add them to the lunch menu. Sorry to pick on Colorado, I truly think the western slope is cool, Denver and vicinity,,,Colofornia...
elkman06
 
Damn - never knew...

My family ownes a Summer home in NE Wisconsin and last year was the first time I'd ever seen a Coyote up there - dead along side of the road, hit by a car. It amused me for several reasons:

- Coyote, up here? Never knew...
- Damn it looks cool - neat coloring and sleek yet powerful. Looks damn near like a slightly woolly domestic dog, maybe like a medium size Husky but different colors?
- Considerably smaller than a Wolf.
- Wonder if I might ever see one alive, in the wild, and what their habits might be like?

The earlier post woke me up:

roy reali said:
Check This Out
http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/vi...xt=anrrec/hrec
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Damn, read some of those accounts! And that list ends at 2003! An amusing listing:

Jan. 1997 - San Juan Capistrano - Coyote charged adult female and took purse.
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Heh - I wonder if they got a pic of him trying to use her card at the ATM?

Gotta' love this one:

Nov. 1998 - San Mateo County - Coyote approached group of 4 women hikers and bit woman on buttocks.
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She musta' been the good looking one...

Man, them's is some frisky Coyotes out in Kalifornia!
 
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