Could you make a fireable weapon if necessary?

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mcshot

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Let's say the SHTF, our guns were collected and they are now collecting us. Could you make a firing weapon to defend yourself and your family. I think I could come up with something but suspect I'd be off this rock by then.
Hell look at what prisoners can do with the tools and time they have to work with.

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"In my opinion, anyone pushing through anti-gun legislation is a bloody traitor and should be sent up for treason" N.H. Stuart
 
No - but I can make a very good bow and arrow kit and use it to take what I need from my prey. Arrows zip through Kevlar.
 
I believe I could. Don't know how accurate it would be without rifleing. Other weapons such as explosives.... well now yor'e talkin'. Had quite a bit of experience as a kid playing with different kinds. Red powder, home made from rust, potassium nitrate (sp) and sugar. Gun cotton, from sulfuric acid and cotton balls. All sorts of fun stuff that we can no longer play with. And yes I had a good guardian angel when I was growing up.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
They used to make something called a zip gun. If I am not mistaken, it was a section of telescopic antenna that a 22 would fit inside. The handle was made from a couple tooth brushes or similar items. The hammer was a rubberband and the firing pin was a tack. I wouldn't want to trust (or risk) my life to one though.
 
thinking on the black powder type of firearms.....also Im with george on that bow as well....if you have primers or something to spark with....you can do manythings.....I understand they even have electric triggers now......surely creative minds could come up with something...lol...fubsy.
 
PreserveFreedom's post brings back memories.

I grew up in the old Chelsea District in New York City (22nd St Manhattan). A new kid came to the neighborhood from 135th St. He was in a gang called the "West Sides". He told me how they used to break off car aerials and tape them to a right-angled piece from the old wooden orange crates. A rubber band cut from an inner tube was the spring. I forgot what he used for a bolt - I think it might have been a turnbolt door latch.

When they'd get in a fight, they'd run up to a guy REAL close, pull back the breech and slamfire the .22 cartridge.

He said that once, in the heat of battle, he cornered one guy and let him have it at about a 10 ft range. As soon as he fired, he thought, "What the HELL am I doing?". He said he saw the guy's heavy leather jacket take the hit, but that was all the damage it did. He threw the "gun" away and stayed with fists and bicycle chains from then on. I guess you'd have to use them as nose guns.

A Filipino veteran told me that during the Japanese occupation they made 12 ga shotguns out of pipe, carved a groove in a piece of wood for the pipe to slide back and forth in, stuck a nail in the wood where the breech would seat, loaded her up, got close to a Jap and slammed the barrel against the nail. They then picked up the real gun and gave the "shotgun" to the next guy, if the pipe didn't split.

Sometimes they didn't need more than one gun. They'd place sharpened bamboo stakes in the grass along a trail. When a patrol came through, they'd fire the gun, with no hope of hitting anybody. However, the patrol would throw themselves to each side of the trail, impaling themselves on the stakes. Then the guerrillas would charge in and hack them to death with their bolos, clean the goo off the rifles, and raise some more Hell somewhere else.

You work with what you have. In these kinds of situations, once you have the other guy's gun, you're in business.

I knew a Marine in EOD who said he could make explosives out of Crayola crayons and everyday household chemicals, but wouldn't give out the formula.

Back in the 70's, one of the Weathermen's tricks was to carefully drill a hole is a common light bulb, fill it with black powder, then tape it over and screw it back in the outlet. When somebody came in and flicked on the lightswitch - BOOM, with bits of glass flying about. They'd be SOL today with all the flourescent lighting though.

And then we have all those machine shops . . .
 
Yup. It's not hard to crank out a smoothbore sten or grease gun with a few basic tools (electric drill, hacksaw, hammer + punch set, tin snips, a couple of files, dremel tool, maybe a vise.)

It might behoove the more preparation-minded amongst us to acquire a set of such tools, and the engineering drawings and dimensions for a few simple weapons. Knowledge is power!

Later,
Chris



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I think bookie has it right.I have played a lot with explosives both in the military and out.A few pounds of HE set right will take out a patrol.Then you have weapons you can count on and get more.
However I disagree with giving up your guns.If no person gives up there firearms who the hell is going to take them.If 10% of the firearm owners says no we are bigger then any standin g army.Well not going to take this any farther.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
check out the post here a week or so ago on air cannons.

In an hour you can build a 1 shot compressed air powered rifle that hurls a 2 pound can of concrete 400 yards.

dZ
 
military manual on improvised weapons.
has a few good expediant home made gun plans.
high tech zip guns.
also some other good stuff, along the line of crayon based shaped explosives.
any one who thinks there is a revolution coming or just want to know this crap should get it.

with a lathe you could cook up some nice ones, and with a full machine shop whoa boy cooking with gas then.

could i build one? what they know, no i cant, and i wont ever tell what i know. ;)


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while u are burying your head in the sand i will be out doing something about the problem, excuse me if i tramp upon your skull.
 
Zip guns, ahh, the fifties! Been there, done that, got the scar. If you can't make a gun that will at least fire one good shot in an hour or less then American ingenuity is dead. With a good home machine shop, drill press, welder (cheap arc or wire), files and scrap metal anyone should be able to build a sten or grease gun in a week.


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Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club
68-70
true story, a Union Gen. once said "Don't worry about those Rebs. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..SPLAT.
 
Back in the 50's there was a guy who was running an insurance scam in the town I lived in. Drilled a small hole in a light bulb, filled it with gasoline and sealed it. His downfall was screwing one of his bulbs into a socket that had a burnt-out bulb in it but was still live. Still, a slick idea though.

My brothers made a lot of zip guns in that era. I'll have to tap them for the "technology" while they can still remember it.

Dick
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I think I'll look for an "improvised manual on weapons" at the next show I attend. My memory of what I made that worked and didn't work escapes me but I'm damn lucky to have survived. BTW I won't give up my guns without trying to use them.
first.

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"In my opinion, anyone pushing through anti-gun legislation is a bloody traitor and should be sent up for treason" N.H. Stuart
 
When I was in fourth grade we used to blow up the local junk heap with a homeade nitro-glycerin made from a certain kind of handlotion, and a certain kind of fertilizer. What we ended up with was a gummy paste which was pretty stable, but blew up realitely well compared to regular nitro-gylercin. Basically we had a homeade plastic explosive. We blew a washing machine 30 feet up in the air and 70 feet to the side of where it started with a chunk the size of a golf ball, or maybe a tennisball.

That said, terrorists and rebels don't need guns when chemical weapons can be made from almost anything. When are the antis going to realize that disarming potential revolutionaries of guns will simply force them to use more ruthless weapons that will kill more bystanders?

Oh yeah, I forgot, antis are idiots.

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The Alcove

I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
When I was younger we had M-80's and such.

We also used to take a tennis ball and poke a hole in it. Then stuff the thing with the tips of blue tip matches from my momma's kitchen. The kind you can light by striking them against anything. Then we'd throw the thing and watch it make a neat "little" explosion. Nothing big. But it was neat to watch when I was young.

Regards,
MP
 
Home made napalm:

Take any amount of gasoline, or diesel, and add styrofoam to it. As you know, this will desolve. Add it until it won't dissolve anymore, or until it's as thick or as thin as you'd like. This gooey goop is extremly flamable and burns for quite a while, and since it sticks to the skin it's nearly impossible for someone in shock, or panicking to wipe off.
P.S. Stop, Drop, and Roll, does not work with this sh*t, it just spreads it around, and affects a bigger area :)

I invision loading a cannon (cement mixer, or any long tube) with gun powder, and pack it down, then pour this down the tube and fire before the gunpowder gets too soaked. The explosion would light the "napalm" and send a shower of lava on anyone down range, while the "enemy" is running around screamming "mommy" like a chicken with it's head cut off, you proceed to take they're government supplied arms.

I also know how to make a zip-gun out of any clicker-type (no lid, tip goes in and out) ball point pen, a tack, or screw, or nail, and a .22 shell. Very simple, but metel sided pens are recomended for those who enjoy the luxury of fingers :) However, I wouldn't recommend leading an army with this type of weapon. a bow & arrow would be better than this, but the bottom line is, Two out of three house-hold products are flamable these days, and anyone who can put a dent in the back side of a bullet can make a gun.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mcshot:
Let's say the SHTF, our guns were collected and they are now collecting us. Could you make a firing weapon to defend yourself and your family. I think I could come up with something but suspect I'd be off this rock by then.
Hell look at what prisoners can do with the tools and time they have to work with.
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Yes. Yes, I can. And if you buy and study a copy of the US Army manual IMPROVISED MUNITIONS HANDBOOK (TM 31-210), you can too. It describes how to build 9mm pipe pistol, .45 caliber pipe pistol, a shotgun, a rifle, a "match gun" (using matchheads for propellant), and a variety of improvised weapons and explosives.

Just be sure to commit the instructions for a few of your favorites to _memory_. You may not have the book available when you need it.
 
Nope. Not a bit. No clue.

But, as a mechanical design engineer w/ACAD stuffed into this here PC & w/ a friend or two that have CNC shops & .dxf capabilities, I don't think it'd be much of a problem to "learn." ;)

Worst case, a 12 ga shell fits very nicely into a 3/4" plumbing pipe .....

After blowing up my best friend's living room in '70, I kinda took a dim(mer) view of not following the rules for things that go boom! There are better rules out there than what I used (= none) at the time). :( Do be careful.

Besides, I already have things that shoot very well indeed. Doubtful that I'll ever be alive without 'em. Although nice to know, why reinvent the wheel (or anything else that [rocks &] rolls?
 
ok got a forum that has a section devoted to this kind of stuff, www.hardcoretalk.com

not its not a porno forum as preservefreedom asked me on ICQ the other night.

some interesting things like this being said.

going to a gun show next week or so, may pick up an extra copy or two of TM31 210 improvised weapons handbook for distrubution.
if i dont burn all my money on a gun.

two more things. ianyone know of some online .pdf or other type files that have plans for a smoothbore sten or grease gun? not to build one but just to look at them.

and if i can get my scanner up and running i could get sections of TM31 210 that people were interested in out to them, via .jpeg image.
i will let you know if my scanner thinks its up to the job.
 
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