Could Someone Enlighten Me on my Future CZ 527 FS?

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I decided to save up for a CZ 527 FS Chambered in .223, although in plan to fire 5.56 through it. I chose this caliber because of its low recoil and good power. I don't plan to mount a scope, as I like the look of the iron sights. First I had some questions.

First, I heard a Mannlicher stock would affect accuracy in a negative way, is this true?

Second, would this or would this not be a good caliber for an intermediate rifleman who is wanting to move up to a higher caliber from his 10/22?

Third, what is your opinion on this rifle?

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Rifle on CZ's Page:
http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-527-fs-223-rem-5-rd-mag/
 
Are you a big person? I don't like the length of pull on the Mannlicher style stock. I like their carbine styles better because they fit me better, and that will make a huge difference.

Word of advice: if you want an amazing work of craftsmanship that you will be proud to own and will always outpace you as a shooter, get the CZ.

If you want to learn to shoot intermediate power cartridges accurately and without flinching, there are, IMO, cheaper options for you that will serve you better as a stepping stone.

I am a HUGE CZ fanboy. Just make sure you want the rifle for the right reasons. If you just want marksmanship training, you could take that money and get a savage with a scope and a lot of ammo and go much further. If you want the CZ, the CZ is the only thing that will cut it, but it's likely you want it for more reasons than just training.
 
The CZ boltguns are excellent products, often underrated, and I'd choose one over a Savage in a hummingbird's heartbeat.

I prefer the Mauser controlled feed, the CZ uses good old-fashioned walnut, has made no concessions to cheapening manufacture, and is typically quite accurate.
Iron sights are usable.

The full-stocked versions are my favorites.
You can stick with the irons, or later try a scope.

The .223 is a much better choice for learning riflery than your Mosin.
20 inches is a good intermediate length, not too heavy, good to maneuver through brush if you need to.
Good trigger, good quality all the way round.

It IS a .223, don't count on shooting 5.56, there's no overriding reason to anyway.
Plenty of good .223 hunting & practice ammunition available.
Denis

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Forgot to address the stock/accuracy question.
In the Ruger version, the International, they use a lighter barrel & different fit in the full length stock. Those contribute to vertical stringing as the barrel heats up & that does affect accuracy in terms of strings of fire.

In the CZ, there's a heavier barrel & a different pressure-point arrangement.
The 6.5 Swede FS I worked with a while back had no accuracy problems at all.
The .22 LR full-stocked CZ I have here also has no accuracy problems.
I would not consider it an issue with the CZs.
 
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That rifle looks great. I may need one. No, I'll conebtrate on their 22lr Mannlicher.
What I need is a second job so I can get both.

Oh, I agree this is a much better rifle to learn on than an MN. I wouldn't worry about the stock type. Even if there is a problem the fixes are much simpler than what you are looking at with an MN.

Be aware the "American" versions are significantly cheaper than the mannlicher stocked versions.
 
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But those Mannlicher stocks are infinitely cooler looking. :)
It shows distinction & taste to shoot with the elegant lines of full-length walnut. :)
Denis
 
They are cooler. I would definitely support the idea that a Mannlicher stock makes a rifle more of an lifetime/heirloom item as opposed to a utility item.
 
my CZ527FS...is one of my favorite rifles....I have not experinced any changes in POI due to the mannicher stock...as per CZ...the 527 will shoot both 223 and 5,56...with no issues...and for keeping irons...NECG is now making a peep sight, that does not require drilling the reciever....and the single set trigger..is just icing on the cake...
 
I applaud your choice and if you can do $750-800 good for you. Personally I can't or should I say I won't. I like the stock but if I had that cash I would probably end up with 3 or 4 rifles.

Have you ever thought of cruising over to a used gun store and see what they have on the shelf. There are a lot of good rifles out there where the owners just lost interest and traded it toward another or needed money.

It's not a good example but I can spend hours at Cabela's handling used rifles and I see many good ones that need a new home. Might have a scratched up stock or something but that just means I won't cry when I scratch it.
 
It IS a .223, don't count on shooting 5.56, there's no overriding reason to anyway.
Plenty of good .223 hunting & practice ammunition available.
Denis
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You can shoot 5.56 in a CZ .223 , no problems.

From the CZ website FAQ's:

Q: “Can CZ rifles chambered in .223 fire 5.56 ammunition safely?”

A: All of our .223s will happily eat 5.56. Since our factory is in Europe, we build everything to CIP spec, which doesn’t differentiate between the two cartridges and just has the higher pressure as its standard. So the CZ .223s will shoot everything from the cheapest Russian steel to match .223 brass ammo.

Also, in my area, 5.56 is more abundent and actually cheaper then .223 rounds... if you can believe it. So, there can be reasons for shooting 5.56.

I know all this, becuase, I too, was looking into a CZ 527 chambered in .223 and did some research over the last few weeks. Havent decided if thats the direction I'm going in yet, but it is a fine rifle (was looking at the FS as well and agree it is so much classier looking, lol).
 
My apologies, in looking at their website I saw .223.
I have worked with other CZs, but not a .223.

Either way, no reason to specifically look for 5.56-only to shoot through it.
Denis
 
Can someone name a current production rifle that can't shoot both?
One made in the last 20 years?
One made before that?

I can't remember having actual seen a report anywhere of an actual problem.

I can occasionally get contrac overrun/seconds of 556 very cheap. I've never shot 223 out of my rifles.
 
There are some that don't, enough to not assume all .223s can shoot 5.56.
Weatherby, for one, has told me they recommend not using mil-spec (5.56) through my .223 Vanguard II.

Without checking, unless the barrel's stamped for 5.56, it should not be automatically assumed that any .223 can safely use 5.56.
Most may be interchangeable, but not all.
Denis

Add: Mini-14 Target Rifle is .223 ONLY, as another example.
 
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The FS is plenty accurate, by most accounts, indiscernible from the accuracy of the non-FSs. This goes contrary to conventional wisdom, but is what people report.

If they made a 527 FS in .17 Hornady hornet, I'd be on it like a duck on june bug.
 
I am a very enthusiastic supporter of CZ. I have never had a firearm from them that wasn't robust and accurate. I had the 527 LUX version, and shot many thousands of rounds through it before it was stolen. I have the 22 long rifle 452 and that will be one of the last rifles I ever get rid of. It is plenty accurate, I enjoy the iron sights, and have no complaints.

Also have a 550, though OP didn't ask about them, I think, if it were me, I'd probably get the 243 in a full stock, over the 527. This is really just a matter of personal preference, but I prefer the full size action over the mini mauser. Ammo is more expensive, but it is pretty close to an all around rifle for many uses. If you handload you can bring the cost per round down to manageable levels.

Either way I don't think you will be disappointed in your purchase.
 
One other advantage to the CZ is that they'll readily sell you spare parts like triggers, firing pins, extractors & so on.
Others, often don't make it quite as easy.
Denis
 
CZ Full Stock

I own a CZ 550FS in .308. It's a fantastic rifle and looks great to boot. I've found no accuracy problems with the Mannlicher stock. My CZ in .223 is a CZ American. It will gladly handle either 5.56, or .223 fodder. CZ makes a robust, good looking line of rifles. I presently own 4 CZ rifles and perhaps a 5th if I pull the trigger (sic) on a .17 Hornet. Buy and enjoy. You'll get compliments at the range. By the way, You might want to mount a scope on your .223. Their rifles are really accurate and a scope will let you enjoy shooting your new rifle even more. It is nice having the steel sights for a back up though. :D
 
Weatherby, for one, has told me they recommend not using mil-spec (5.56) through my .223 Vanguard II.
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Not a manual/policy written with the help of a lawyer. An actual problem. Any of the normal overpressure warnings, an actual kaboom, etc. A rifle that shoots one well and the other terribly across several loads in each?
 
John,
You asked for a current production .223 that can't shoot both.

I gave you two examples of a manufacturer saying "Don't".

It's not a matter of "can't", since you can force most .223 chambers to accept a 5.56, it's a matter of the two cartridges being NOT exactly the same, and an increase in pressures by forcing a .223 chamber to fire a 5.56 round.

Some manufacturers say don't in their .223 chambers.
If you ask an ammomaker, they'll quite likely tell you the same.

You can "get away with it" in many cases.
You ARE creating a risk with over-pressures.
Your choice.

This doesn't have to become a ******* contest over it.
Denis
 
You asked for a current production .223 that can't shoot both.

I gave you two examples of a manufacturer saying "Don't".

It's not a matter of "can't", since you can force most .223 chambers to accept a 5.56, it's a matter of the two cartridges being NOT exactly the same, and an increase in pressures by forcing a .223 chamber to fire a 5.56 round.

Some manufacturers say don't in their .223 chambers.
If you ask an ammomaker, they'll quite likely tell you the same.

You can "get away with it" in many cases.
You ARE creating a risk with over-pressures.
Your choice.
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Exactly. And even if it was safe, why would you? You won't get much accuracy, and the whole point of a bolt action rifle is accuracy - at least the main point.
 
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