Cor-Bon Quality

FUD, I was up way too late when I posted the above. My last few words were poorly chosen.

Didn't think you in particular were griping out of turn. Now that Pi has contacted you, you came back here and reported that too. Happen to think that if there is a rumor or worry it should be brought up. Nothing to keep the MFGR from responding on his own. Sounds like Triton ( IIRC ) had some probs w/ 357SIG bullets getting set back, and they said they hadn't heard til it was reported on TFL. Another person disputed that, saying he'd called it in. True or not? Don't know. Murphy is alive and well at last report.

Then again, even RemFedChester have occassional recalls.

Just wanted to point out that the boys pushing the envelope ain't gonna learn without trying, which leads to making mistakes. And they may think they learned something more than they did right up until a revolver auto-disassembles itself.

Seems like a lot higher percentage in the sporting goods industry who are always trying "... to ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth..." than in politics.

Sometimes I wonder if the congressional bodyguards shouldn't be reorganized to protect the public from the politicians instead 'tother way round.

Now I ain't going to go up to Wahington DC to help organize a necktie party ( maybe I would though if I'd had a better moral upbringin').

Or maybe we ought to set up a congressional junket to the north rim with a sign saying "This way to the slush fund" on the south edge of the north rim.

FUD, you didn't offend me, and I didn't plan to offend you. Just wanted to point out the contributions made by the ballistic hotrodders.

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FUD done good here, no doubt. This Cor-Bon issue is just another example of anecdotal and hearsay being converted consumer opinion and buying options. This is unfortunate since this is mostly what we have to run with. How come the big gun magazines don't invest in shooting 5000-10000 rounds of various ammo types and let us know the skinny on accuracy, failures, etc.? They provide tests of guns which is great, but no one seems too concerned with the important part of the gun, the AMMO! Guns usually don't kill people, but the bullets fired from guns are another story!

Whenever I have seen a new ammo tested, it is usually with no more than a box or two, chronographed, measurements of a couple of targets, and then a wonderful review...and this is usually when being done with the test of a specific gun.

I still read and pay attention to anecdotal comments made on TFL. I trust general trends of TFL opinions more so than I do the guy behind the counter who stands to profit from my purchase. I then convert what I learn into actual experience (shooting Brand X ammo to see if it works well in my gun). Unfortunately, my personal tests are far from scientific and just add to the anecdotal information.

All this being said, I will have to see about getting some Cor-Bon and seeing how it works. My purchase will likely just be one box and not 5-10 (1000 round) cases unfortunately.
 
Gopher .45, thanks for the compliment but just to clarify things, those 1000 rounds that I mentioned were in several different calibers (.38, 9mm, .40 & .45) and were fired over the course of about a year and a half -- don't want to take too much credit for something that I might not have done.
 
FUD & Ammo Gurus,

I'm not an ammo expert so I'm looking for some advise. No offence against CorBon, I just need to ask a simple technical question.

CorBon markets their 90-grain .380ACP as +P. Apparently, there is no +P SAAMI specification for the .380 cartridge, or so I have read:
http://www.greent.com/40Page/general/defammo.htm

This has been bothering me and I want to get it cleared up. Are +P pressures loaded for the .380ACP cartridge unsafe?

I'm not trying to bash CorBon. I just don't understand the SAAMI specifications and how specifically they relate to the margin of safety for the 9x17 caliber.

Please advise.
 
I never had a problem with Corbon. I used to carry it in my Kimber Ultra Elite. Since I sold it, I don't use Corbon anymore. 230 grain Hydro-Shoks go in my Wilson CQB. If I ever got another compact, I wouldn't hesitate on using 185 gr Corbons again.

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Like WLM,I also took Mr. Pi up on his offer for a free box of CorBon 115 +p 9mm.
Triton also had the same offer about the same time frame.

I recieved the CorBon, the Triton never showed.

I will continue to carry in my KelTec P-11, Mr Pi's product. I find it to be low flash, very reliable, and while it is hot, I was not overwhelmed by the flip or snap of this ammo. The KelTec folks don't recommend +p for extended sessions, but I use target ammo for that anyway. I am not an expert by any stretch, but CorBon is what I choose.

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As I just posted in my new Kimber reveiw Cor-Bons turned in the best group of the day @ 15 yrds you could cover the group w/a quarter, very low flash and controllable. While the shape does worry me some, (man thats a WIDE mouth)I haven't had any failures yet, and will buy more to wring the Kimber out a bit just to make sure. I did not like Federals unless they perform differently than the 165 gr I had. The flash was terrible and they were HOT-not shooting to piont of aim, unlike all the others I tested.
 
funinsun,

Chances are, you're not going to get as good a group with light (short) ammo. The longer the bullet, the greater the area that contacts the rifling inside the barrel. The longer one is going to throw a "better spiral" to relate this to football. I suggest you look at Federal 185 grains, Cor-Bon 185, Hornady 185-200 +P, or Remington Golden Saber 185 grain.

Ben

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[This message has been edited by Ben (edited June 21, 2000).]
 
FUD...I commend your gentlemanly comport.

I like Cor-Bon ammo and have so stated here in the past. This recent bruhaha over the alledged reliability problems had me fretting. I stake my life on my ammo. I am so glad we have put the rumors to rest. I like Cor-Bon defensive for the accuracy, appearant gentle force, and the low flash which is not only low but of a colour that causes even less loss of night vision. I have experience only with the .38spec, .357mag and .45ACP but have begun to believe that all their products must be of fine quality.

Sam....my favorite 9mm is 9X32
 
I've never heard anything about sabotage at the Cor-bon plant and I don't test ammo with a chronograph or use other scientific methods. I just shoot it and form an opinion. My personal observations with Cor-bon were that the ammo I tried exhibited remarkable differences in recoil, report, muzzle flash, and accuracy, not only between boxes or lots, but between rounds in the same box. I shot up the hundred or so rounds I had, didn't like it very much, and moved on to find something else I liked better. No problem.

The problem I do have with Cor-bon concerns Mr. Pi's statements regarding his .40 S&W ammo, which he labels (or has labeled, I haven't checked lately) +P. Since there is no SAAMI +P classification for the .40 S&W round, the natural assumption is that the ammo exceeds the SAAMI specifications, which in my opinion would be dangerous for this caliber. When questioned about this, Mr. Pi responded that the ammo *is* within SAAMI specs, and that while the +P designation on his 9mm ammo (and other calibers) refers to the SAAMI pressure specification, the +P on the .40 S&W box means "plus performance." This, to me, is an example of the worst sort of marketing doubletalk, which makes it very difficult for me to trust anything the man says.
 
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