Cor-Bon Quality

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Several months ago I learned from more than one independent sourse (including posts on this board) that there was some question with Quality Control over at Cor-Bon and that some disgruntled employee had even sabotaged cases of bullets prior to them being shipped out. Prior to learning of this, I had relied on Cor-Bon almost exclusively as they usually had the industry's best stopping power and I, myself, had fired in excess of 1,000 rounds of their stuff since I believe that it is important to practice with the ammo that you are going to trust your life to.

Since I had heard these reports from more than one independent source, I incorrectly concluded that they were correct. I was contacted today by Peter R. Pi, the President of Cor-Bon with the following statement ... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I have been reading all your threads on your attack on Cor-Bon Ammo. I would like to know where is it that you are getting all this misinformation. Cor-Bon has never had any quality control problems related to sabotage. This is probably a vicious rumor stated by a company and competitor that we are in litigation with. This is a very competitive business with a very limited market and some people will stop at nothing to get an edge. Cor-Bon has been making high quality, high performance ammo for over 20 years with out any quality control problems. Many problems that a customer can have with any ammo can often be traced to a gun problem.
Please check with us and get the info from the horses mouth before you post any unsubstantiated information.[/quote]... I officially stand corrected and wish to publicly apologize to Peter Pi and his company, Cor-Bon, for any incorrect statements that I might have made which may have negatively reflected on his company and/or product.

Sincerest apologies,
FUD
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I mostly shoot 135gr. Federal Hydra-Shoks. However, I also shoot a lot of Cor-Bon. Mr. Pi of Cor-Bon was generous enough to come on and, for a limited time, offer a free trial box of Cor-Bon. I took him up on it and was very satisfied. I've continued to purchase Cor-Bon ammo simply because of the fact that Mr. Pi was confidant enough in his product to offer me a free trial box.

Will

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I have NEVER had any problem with any Cor-Bon ammo I have fired and I must add that I have fired a lot of it. 135 grain .40s.

No problems with Tritons either.
 
I have fired alot of Cor-Bon, and I still carry it in my guns. I have tried other rounds, such as TRITON, Fed PDA, Fed HS, WIN ST, Ren GS, PMC JHP, STARFIRE, and lots of other brands and types, (I work parttime in a gunstore). None of the self-defense ammo has produced the accuracy and terminal ballistics of Cor-Bon in as consistent and repeatable manner.
The accuracy, although not done in a ransom rest, has always been superior to the others for me. I will postulate that because I am large (6-4, 230) the recoil does not bother me, and that because I shoot a P7 the muzzle flip is less pronounced, and that the fixed barrel helps accuracy. However this is the same for all ammo. Thus when I can put 18 rounds of 115 grn 9mm into a less then 1" hole at 7 yds with Cor-Bon, and cannot achieve anything close to it with the others, I decide to buy the Cor-Bon. I have done this many times, being a standard part of my drills. Always the CB ends up the winner, whether I shoot it first, last, or middle; or do one brand a session.

I have chronographed rounds from many boxes of CB 9mm, in excess of 20 different lots, and found the velocity to be very consistent, less then 20fps plus or minus. Also the dropoff due to the short barrel of the P7 is less then for other brands.

Maybe I am a little pedantic in this post, but I feel my life is worth alot, and I have put alot of study and work into determining the best ammo for me to carry. This ammo is Cor-Bon. Others may not find this so, and that is why life is so much fun, we do not all agree.

Oh well time to go do chores, take care.

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[This message has been edited by ATM (edited June 16, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Peter Pi, President - Cor-Bon: Thank you for your email and your understanding. I have spent 22 years building a reputation and I'm very proud of it. If you have any ammo that you question the quality I would be more that happy to exchange it for you. It is my utmost priority that my customers are completely satisfied. I have heard the rumors also from different sources and have tried to get to the bottom of it with out much success. Rumors that are true are easy to find, but false ones, no one wants to take credit.

Thanks again for your understanding,

Pete[/quote]No, Mr. Pi, I will not be sending any ammo back for a refund/exchange (although, thank you for the offer) as your word is good enough for me and your ammo will be finding it's way back into my firearms. Once again, sorry for any misunderstandings. Regards,
FUD
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[This message has been edited by FUD (edited June 16, 2000).]
 
I have used quite a bit of the Cor-Bon 9mm and .45 in 165, 185 and 230 gr variations and it has always performed extremely well. It is my preferred ammo. It always impresses me when the prez of a company cares enough about a single customer to contact them.
 
I just purchased a .40 cal auto and took it to the range. I put over 200 rounds of cheap target loads through it without a single hitch. Every shot worked and not a single failure to feed. Then I wanted to test my corbon .40 ammo to see if it would feed. No problem feeding, but the 4th shot wouldn't fire. The primer was struck, but no bang. The other nine shots fired fine. I removed the offending bullet and reloaded with the cheap target load. No problem any more.

I am somewhat worried about Corbon since it is touted as defensive ammo, yet I had a 10% failure rate. I wouldn't want that to happen in a defensive situation. I have also heard of others with Corbon misfires.
 
Beastman Try some more CorBon. I have fired Hundred of Cor-Bon without a problem. Every manufactuer is going to have some bad ammo. It is man made so it isn't going to be prefect. YOu could have had a light primer strike or any number of other things. Did you try to fire it a second time?
 
Kevinw is right.
Sometimes (rarely) you get a dud from ANY manufacturer. I was shooting some Federal Hydra-Shoks from my Colt Mustang last weekend and...CLICK! A dud. However, I've never had a dud in .40 caliber. Neither Cor-Bon nor Federal.

Will

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I have had problems with Corbon ammo. I dont have a particular axe to grind nor any hatred for the company or it's owner, but I would not bet my life on it.

My first ever jam on my Glock 17 was with Corbon ammo. Maybe it was caused by too weak a recoil spring, due to Corbon being very hot, the slide might have been going too fast. Who knows?

My next problem with Corbon was with 357. Several failures to fire. The primers had been struck but no boom. I got about 6 of these in a box of 25.

Thats what happened with me.
 
I did not try to fire the round again. Maybe I should have.

I just am frustrated since this is the first 10 rounds of Corbon I have ever fired and I get a 1 out of 10 misfire. Not too confidence inspiring, especially since I had fired over 200 rounds of cheap target ammo through the same gun on the same day and had no problem.
 
Been shooting it for a few years now, and have never had a problem... not one. Now, PMC is a different story...

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I have not had any failures to fire on Corbon. But I did have seating problems one time...

Using a trashy non-factory glock mag ( by Pro-mag) I had numeruos failures to feed on corbon hollow poinsts ( fmj worked o.k.). After the round was jammed between the slide and the throught of the barrel I noticed the bullet had sunk in the case. I guess this will happen with may brands of ammo, still it does not inspire comnfidence in me.. In fact other than Hydra-shoks I don't see many Hollow points that I will use, due to the shape of the bullet and my fear of it jamming!
 
Oh yah, I did invest in some factory Hi-caps after that. And I fixed those pro-mags by bending the feed lips back a bit- still they are second line use only! And those squished bullets were fired off! ( even though I propbly should notah' done it- so much for the Glock Kaboom!)
 
I have had a single incident of a failure to fire with a CorBon 115 grain 9mm cartridge. This is in several thousand rounds of the same ammo. I tried three times to get this particular round to fire. Chalk that one up to the company that made the primer. I still carry CorBons in my Glock, and I don't give it a second thought. I think they make an excellent product.
 
I had some problems a while back with a "boutique" ammo maker. Had a 2 1/2" S&W Model 19 that was nice and tight. Put a single fifty round box of the radical reduced weight 125 grain JHP designer stuff thru it, and my poor 19 sounded like castanets when shook. It was a long time til I could say "Lee Jurras" or "Super Vel" without adding adjectives not used in mixed company.

The really rotten thing is that by the time he made enough money to buy newer better pressure and qc equipment, and learned enough stuff the hard way about pushing the interior, exterior, and terminal performance envelopes no-one else had ever known about before him the big boys ( RemChester ) took over and threw money at remaining problems that he didn't have to spend to keep up with them.

That was back in the 60's and 70's, when the revolver ruled, but so did round nose bullets. As Cooper, ( IIRC ) said of those armed with 25/32 calibers, they were in the unenviable situation of being armed with a deadly weapon while being unable to decisively stop violent happenings in time to prevent their or others injury or death.

Don't jump all over the people ( and their companies ) such as:

1) Lee Jurras and Super Vel;
2) Col. Jack Cannon and Glaser Safety Slugs; 3) ? and Magsafe;
4) Peter Pi and Core-bon
5)Burzcynski and his:
a)Hydra-Shok corp.;
b)later bought out by Federal;
c)his Starfire sold to ElDorado;
d) and his Quik-Shok produced by Triton;
6) the Silvertip designer whose name I can't recall, and on and on.

Instead of itching, if you are Catholic, light a candle for each of these guys trying to save a few lives here and there.

I'm not catholic, but I might just light a few myself.
 
Rusty S, I wasn't originally looking to attack anybody. I've always felt that TFL was a place to share knowledge & ideas with others and learn a little bit something yourself as you go along the way. I was merely trying to share some with others some "info" that I had heard so that they would be aware of it. It turns out that that particular info was incorrect and I want to acknowledge that. I have learned my leason not to repeat something, even if I heard it from multiple sources, unless I can provide a documented source.
 
FUD
Takes a MAN to say "I'm sorry..I made a mistake". And you Sir are a MAN!

Take care & keep the brass flying. :)

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