Cops Under Investigation After Killing Man During Raid On Wrong House

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This is from Lebanon, Tennessee
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/0010/05/raid2.html

Date: 10/05/00

Two officers from the Lebanon Police Department are under investigation after shooting and killing a man in his home Wednesday night.

Police went to the home at 70 Joseph Street to serve a search warrant for drugs, but it was the wrong house.

Five officers burst through the front door shortly after 10 p.m. Police said the victim, John Adams, 62, fired at police. Police returned shots.

Lebanon's police chief said a mistake had been made. The officers raided the correct address according to the search warrant, but the warrant should have been for the home next door.

The shooting quickly got the attention of the NAACP because the victim was black and the officers were white.

The Wilson County chapter of the NAACP said they're determined to make sure police handle the case correctly.

"If the TBI comes out with their findings that wrongdoing has been found, we're asking that the law step in and pursue prosecution for the DA's office," said Johnny Crudup, with the Wilson County NAACP.

The TBI is investigating the shooting.

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Way too much of this stuff is happening.

I'm glad he was able to at least return fire.

JP

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Nehemiah 4:18 " ... and each of the builders wore his sword at his side as he worked."
 
This is the main problem with "no-knock" search warrants -- cops make mistakes and criminals are imitating this behavior by storming house and yelling police to catch the home owner off-guard.
 
I read the story and only have the information from the story, but here is my view of the events.

I am sorry about the event. Nobody should have died. Period. I am even sorrier that the NAACP gets involved. There is a high likelihood that if a team of people busted down my door and came storming in, I would probably end up shooting as well, not out of disrespect, but out of disbelief that the cops would be raiding my home where I don't do anything wrong. Therefore, the people breaking in must be there to rob or hurt my family, right? Granted, I would end up just as dead as the victim in this case, but NOT because it was a race issue.

The NAACP yells foul frequently when there is a conflict between blacks and whites, even when the conflict is not racially motivated. Jesse Jackson does the same thing. Both the NAACP and Jackson also protest for legitimate issues as well, no doubt about it, but give me a break! Police, with a warrant, raid a house and the person in the house, by default, is a suspect and he fires at the police and they return fire. The police did exactly as they should have done according to the warrant...had they been at the right house. There is no race issue here, but a screw up none-the-less. That being said, someone needs their a$$-kicked for making a clerical mistake like that. Where was the informant or the policeperson that had verified the supposed activities at THAT house? It sounds like a lot of procedural screwups for which a man should not have been put in the position to defend himself, and die.

Things may have been wrong, but not because there was a race issue. These mistakes should not happen.
 
Just a blatant sign of our enlightened times:

The fact that the victim was black and the officers were white catches more attention, deserves more ink and rallies more of an outrry than the fact that the victim was an innocent citizen and the government the morderous, irresponsible guilty party.

I am developing a marked dislike for the Law Enforcement establishment. Before I raise any flames, please remark that I said "establishment", not "individual officers". I see "law enforcement" (note small caps) as dogged imposition of what is in prevalence bad, unconstitutional law. If to that you add the militaresque tactics employed against civilians, resulting more often than not in the death of the latter, you have to concede that something is going terribly wrong.

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Let the NAACP do their thing. Let the ACLU sic 'em too. Bring in Johnny Cochran, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the rest of the vultures that thrive on this sort of thing.

No-knocks have their place, but they are used entirely too often, and too often have tragic results for all parties involved. The names of the police captain, law director and judge who signed the warrant should be made public. They're the ones responsible for this, not the police officers.

I'd like to hear some police unions encouraging their members to refuse to participate in raids of this sort. They're completely unnecessary most of the time, IMO.


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Had an another thought after reading Gopher's post.

What if this elderly man *was* a TFL'er...

What would we do about it?

Why aren't we doing it now?
 
It's nice to take a knock at the NAACP but organizations like them did more to bring basic human rights to folks in the USA than most - or did we forget segregation and job discrimination.

Are no-knocks more frequent in minority neighborhoods? One can factor out suspected rates of drug use and I still think they are more common there.

Have a series of incidents like this in gated community land and no-knocks would disappear.

Perhaps some civil rights organizations seem to be going a touch overboard but they have plenty of reason to.
 
Two points.
1. There are too many No-Knock Warrants.
2. Whoever approved the warrant should be held criminally liable for the death.

After all the LEO's were only following orders. I did not mean that to sound snide. Anyone who points a gun at anyone is likely to get shot.The police officers were put in the position of having to defend themselves against an armed citizen defending his home .
As I said the death is on the hands of the person approving the warrant.

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I have to partially agree with Enoch on this one. The NAACP has done some great things for human and civil rights in the USA, especially for minorities. Unfortunately this is where the agreement stops. There is NEVER a good reason for going overboard, that is why it is called overboard. The NAACP, Jesse and Sharpton have become living examples of the little boy crying wolf. Much like the rest of our wonderful beurocRATS in DC, they can have the race issue dissappear caus then their power would go, so they cry wolf at any chance. One day people will stop listening, which will mark the begining of another dark period in US history.

As for the no knock, Each time I hear of these wrong house thing I wonder how it is that illiterates make the PD, much less the SWAT teams. The man's home was clearly marked and the guy doing the surveilance went on the raid. Incidents like these, lower my respect for the LEO community to an even lower level, espeically when I hear that the shooters are on leave and not in jail for murder. Unlike 416Rigby, my discontent does not stop with the establishment and the leadership, but goes right on down to the men and women who mindlessly follow orders. We, rightfully, gave no simpathy to the Germans following orders at Nuremberg, so why should we offer it now???

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I'm sorry, call me foolish if you wish, but if armed "people" broke into my home and yelled police, they're getting a body full of lead. I'll deal with the consequences since I'd be alive.

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Furthermore, people ask me why I keep so many load guns handy. This situation further illustrates why.

The NAACP have done good for minorities. However, I too believe they cry wolf too often. There are magazines called "Ebony", "Jet", etc. Imagine if there was a magazine called "White". They'd have a cow!

I understand why they make an issue out of some things because I am a minority too. Too bad they're too ignorant to realize which war to fight.
 
Yes, good question.

However, what's the answer? Is the atomistic action of a few freedom-loving (and freedom-understanding) folks going to achieve anything in this superficial age of papier mache' prosperity and of chronic political apathy?

I don't have the answer, but I would venture to suggest "no"...
 
Folks,
If you truly understand the way our government thinks, then you will realize that raids on the wrong homes, and innocent home owners dying in gun battles, will never cause Law Enforcement and the Feds to give up their "No Knocks".

You see, it's not the "No Knock Raids" that cause the innocents to die, it's the gun in the home owner's hand. So, in their eyes, the solution is simple - DISARM THE HOME OWNER!

Mark My Words! I can hear the anti's already - "No police officer, should have to worry about being shot by a home owner, as he breaks down the front door!"

Someday, someone will wrongfully "No Knock" the home of a Patriot, and will be greeted by a magazine of SS109 steel penetrators. That's the day the SWHTF!!!

Hopefully, if we elect an administration that respects the rights of it's citizens, "that day" will never come.
 
The answer is an interpretation of the Constitution that only allows no-knock procedures when someone is in danger of grievous bodily harm. Not for evidence, etc.

In all other circumstances, the inhabitants of a household should be informed, if need be through loud speakers, that the police have a warrant.

That means possible sieges and long waits but so what.

When 87% of SWAT raids are to prevent the big flush - what a misuse.

These guys need to go the slammer like the homeowner I once saw on CourtTV who claimed he accidently shot a kid on halloween.

As far as someone successful driving away the cops, that's just Waco, prepare to die a little later. And you won't get any sympathy from the general public. You could have surrendered if you weren't a gun nut, blah blah blah.
 
I spoke to a cop once who tried to justify no-knock by saying, "But it gives us an edge in case they shoot at us."

Hey, jackass...You're a cop, I'm a soldier. Sometimes people shoot at us. Don't like it? Become a civilian.

"Another member of the vast, anti-American conspiracy who refuses to serve under a foreign flag or take acttion against US citizens."

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According to the local news....the cops did knock...the Mrs. answered but did not open the door. She allegedly asked who was there. No one answered. They knocked again...she asked who was there...Again...LEO's did not identify themselves. After that...they kicked in the door. I don't know if they were wearing street cloths or uniforms. They shot the 62yr. old man...who allegedly had a "SAWED OFF SHOTGUN". Also the news reported that they kept the Mrs. handcuffed for more than 2hrs. after the shooting.
I am seriously looking to beef up my front door...with maybe one of those decorative wrought iron doors.
 
The really unbelievable part of the is that the undercover cop who had made multiple buys over a period of weeks at the RIGHT house was the one who gave them the wrong address AND pointed out the house at the time of the raid! He was either using too much of the stuff he bought or was way behind in his "rack 'em and stack 'em" points.

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