Cops Call It A "Runner's Fee"

JimR

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This is from Sierra Times. Ed Parker comments on the mindset of a JBT in training, as revealed in a radio interview. He asks all good LEO's to stand up and stop this mindset.

I must agree.

You can pretty well skip the first paragraph, which doesn't really have much to do with the opinion expressed.

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Cops Call It A "Runner's Fee"
by Ed Parker - Posted:09.15.00

The Inland Empire, they call it. That area east of L.A. out to and including Big Bear Lake, ending in a wasteland of dry lakes, rock, and heat. Unbelievable heat. The stagecoach I call my career is taking me to Ontario, and then north of the Empire to Bakersfield and Delano. I've stayed at this hotel dozens of times. The nice lady that cooks my complimentary breakfast knows my name and my company and where I work when I'm in town. She knows my kids' names, for Pete's sake. Despite all this heartwarming familiarity, however, my reservation was entered into the computer as "handicapped-nonsmoking". I'm amazed. Their system remembers me, my home address, my company, my title, my credit card number and what rooms I've stayed in. It remembers when I got
here, when I left and what I ordered from room service. It remembers who I called and how many towels I left in the bathroom. Still, it forgot I smoke. Coincidence? Or conspiracy? In Kalifornia, you kinda wonder. Of course there are no other rooms. So, as the CCCP Kalifornia news drones on, I sit here like a thirteen year old kid on the floor, drawing exaggerated puffs from my ultra light cigarette and blowing the smoke out the window. I wonder how much they'd charge me if they caught me. I'm probably being typically whitemale greedy and arrogant by occupying a "handicapped" room as well, when there may be some handicapped person who really needs it trying to make a reservation and getting turned down because I, in my selfishness, did not seek lodging elsewhere, like a true bleeding heart.

Wait. I have a metal hip. Does that count?

There's a commercial with a smiling hunter telling gun owners to comply with the law and turn in their previously legal property. On my way to this channel, I surfed past a show depicting two men in a passionate kiss, Jerry, Geraldo, and "Big Brother", a show I still can't figure why people watch. But the most appalling media event I witnessed today probably went largely unnoticed. It was a "conservative" talk radio show. I don't even remember the host's name. It was 870 AM out of LA Thursday afternoon between 5 and 6 PM PDT, if that helps anybody. The guest on the show was a young black man with aspirations of becoming a police officer on the L.A.P.D. He was one year away, he said, from completing his training. He had weighed in on the head-kicking incident back east and actually said that when black people see someone getting his head kicked in, they shouldn't "take it
personal". He said that a head kick was what was known as a "runner's fee" in police jargon. He quoted a little saying, "If you flee, you pay the fee," which seemed to amuse him. He said that videotaping a police action was a violation of a cop's "privacy" and that citizens should just pay no mind, because "it wasn't happening to them" or "they don't know the guy". Predictably, outraged callers came online to criticize this guy's point of view. Astonishingly, some people agreed with him. Sadly, not one respondent used the word "fascist", "gestapo", or
"illegal". The argument was reduced at times to callers shouting as the guest shouted, taunted, and insulted them as "trailer trash", "racist" and a number of other things.

The LAPD wannabe enlightened me to another term popular among the police: screen test. The "screen test" is when they have a suspect, who has presumably irritated them to some degree, handcuffed with his hands behind his back and confined in the back seat of a squad car. The driving officer will accelerate at a high rate of speed and then brake just as rapidly, to take mirth in the suspect's cranial collisions with the metal barrier between the front and back seats of the cruiser. The arrogance of this little globocop in training didn't drip, it didn't ooze, it gushed out of my radio, and I knew it wasn't a put on. He had everybody figured out and everybody was a scumbag. When he was pounding on a scumbag, everybody should mind their own business. He had a right to his privacy, and further, he believed that white people cheer him on. And maybe some of them do. I knew a cop once who told me that his job was to get up in the morning and F with Ns. He meant it. The scariest thing about this kid is that he is more the rule than the exception in a growing number of our cities. You have to wonder. If that's where he's coming from in the police force, how are they training the military? I hope the kid's captain gets a tape of the show and they kick him out of whatever little brownshirt academy he's in, if for no
other reason than the bad pr. Maybe he was a hundred percent phony, a provocateur even. It doesn't make it better. The morons calling into this show from all over the nation were arguing for or against the proposition that this piece of animated fecal tissue had the right to privacy while he whomped patootie on a suspect. They fell for it. They argued against him and not for themselves. If I'd only had a phone. If only one of YOU had heard this and had a phone....

You'd have told him, right? You'd have nailed this guy to the wall- you'd have called up and said:

"ALL RIGHT you little psycho nazi, let me fill you in on a little thing called attempted murder, and if you accidentally kill a guy, murder one nonetheless, because you premeditated the assault. Let me remind you that you work for me and that I am absolutely concerned about how you treat everybody, even scumbags, because how you treat others is how you will treat me and that is reason enough. You apparently do not understand that the suspect in Florida would have been completely justified in shooting and killing the officers who were kicking his head because they were in a very literal sense, presenting an unlawful lethal threat to him. Your attitude that assumes all civilians, as you regard them instead of citizens, are inferior to you because you're the man, or
you're gonna be, makes you particularly unsuited to police work, the military, and any profession requiring a double digit IQ. You are the kind of person that turns a nation against its leaders, and armies upon the people. The stench in your clothes is the smoke of burning cities, churches, and babies. You jackbooted thug wannabe. You won't last twenty minutes in the riot you start. If the citizens don't kill you your partner will. I wouldn't hire you to clean my barn. I hope LAPD has half my horse sense." I DO take it personal, meathead! Real personal!

You'd have said that, wouldn't you? Yup, I knew you would.

This is what we can expect, I expect, from the next generation of law enforcement, unless God-fearing police men and women stand up to the dumbing down of academy aspirants. Unless the people of this breakaway
democracy that used to be a state start right now to put this little komsomol clique behind the fryer at Wendy's where it belongs, they will be the first to huddle in fear when the black Marias roll up to their apartment buildings at midnight. Like the droogs of Kubrick's Clockwork Orange, Dim and his buddies will get paid for kicking heads, and enjoy it as much as ever.

I can't wait to get back to Arizona. Cops are generally friendler there. I wonder why that is.

God Bless-EP
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[This message has been edited by JimR (edited September 15, 2000).]
 
This is the cop that will go house to house to search for "illegal"guns. This is the cop that thinks he is bulletproof. This is the cop that thinks he is above the law.This is the cop that will be holding his guts while he bleeds wondering whats happening ,wanting not to believe that he has just been whacked by a patriot that dont play the silly little cop games that he does. This is the cop that will die for his shallow system of beieifs because he was educated in a school system that teachs diversity ,political correctness and socialism over history, math and science.This is the cop that got into the academy not because of his merits or potential but because he was black and they just had to have another black in the class to fufill the "quota".This "cop" will die alone because he was trained to be a ward of the state from birth. HE knows no different , he is only doing his "job". His numbers are many, it does not matter. He is a tool , a puppet of those that oppress...and he does not know it. He does not know that he and his death will be used by those in the federal government to further a cause that ultimatley will put oppression on ALL of mankind. The color of the cop doesnt not matter. Only his state of mind matters, and there are many like him that will do their "job". Its just a matter of time. Whether it be 5 ,10, or 20 years from now ...it will not matter.

Not all "cops" feel this way, but many ,ecpecially the big city cops have fallen into the rut of the "us against them" mentality . They tend to view eveyone as guilty until proven innocent. This young man is but an example of what we have to look foward too.
 
I know some cops like that, but they don't go on the radio and vomit their opinions like this guy.

That said, I kinda doubt if the guy were a real cadet in the LAPD Academy. It doesn't take a year to get through the Academy, and, even if the guy were legitimate, his superiors at LAPD would have heard him and then booted him out of the Academy. (LAPD & LASD, monitor teeeeeveeeee news shows and radio programs, including talk shows, to see if anything is being said pro or con, about their departments. And they'd have been on this guy like a hawk on a June bug.)

I think he was there to inflame people. Media members love controversy, and will do anything to get it.

I could be wrong, but I'd bet he was a phony. FWIW. J.B.
 
I believe what the poster was hearing was the Phil Hendry (sp?) show. He has the most outrageous, antagonizing and FAKE guests you will ever hear. If you listen, and not even that closely, you can tell it's the same guy or gal playing diffeent roles. The other night, some guy called in complaining that Democrats have an unfair advantage because they are better looking and get laid more often. The "guest" claimed that unlike the Democrats, he's going to wind up dead in the shower with a hand full of vasoline. thought I was going to die.....
 
Agreed, I am from LA and this does sound like the Phil Hendry show. The guys liberal as hell, but occasionally hilirious. Actually Phil plays all the charactors on the show.
 
YEP. Of the two cops I have known, one is quoted as calling himself a "CCRV - A Certified Civil Rights Violator", and the other as saying "If you run, you get beat -that's all there is to it."
 
I am a big supporter of LE, as well as a big critic concerning the rise of JBT-tactics and no-knock raids, but here's the thing...

If someone is running, he is putting other people (civilians, cops, etc.) at risk in several ways. If he is running in a car, this risk rises to the point of life threatening - for himself, cops, and anyone in the vicinity. I do not fault the cops for making that person feel the pain of his actions when they finally get him. And if that person has shot at, or otherwise injured or directly threatened other cops, he's meat, period. Can't say that I blame them.

Like the guys on "Wildest chases". After causing thousands of dollars of property damage, possible hurting/killing other drivers and cops, they get cornered and put their hands behind their backs obediently. Should they then expect to be gently cuffed and transported, as if they had just surrendered without a fight ? the prevalence of video and the media would have you think so. In a lot of these cases, the perps deserve a few swift kicks and it's a shame that cops are now afraid to administer a little of this street justice for fear of the cameras.
 
You know, when I was growing up, not to long ago, mid-80's, there was this understanding we had with the cops. The deal was that if you ran and they caught you, well you were in for an butwhipping, not like too the hospital, but a good butkicking. Therefore you only ran, if you were really sure you wouldn't get caught. This did not happen a lot, since I found that those guys can be relentless, and they have helicopters and radios and stuff.

If you run in a car like I see some of these people do, then I have no problem with the cops pounding on the guy, he has gravely endangered other people and them as well, so my sympathy is not with them. Plus if a couple og these guys got really pounded, then less people would run.
 
pittspilot, RH,

What if it was you being pursued? And you found yourself trying to run for safety? What would you think of the "street justice" you condone then? Can you imagine yourself the pursuee?

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I have never heard the term "runner's fee" used in law enforcement. If this guy is truly going to be a LEO he will not last long.
 
Probably a fake (I hope) but according to some, it`s not too far down the line. Supposedly the NYPD is having trouble recruiting. Before I retired this was becoming a problem. When this happens, standards get lowered. Thanks to the likes of Sharpton and other LEO bashers, qualified young people don`t think it`s worth it. That includes minorities who for years claimed discrimination. Now they don`t want the aggravation either. NYC is getting the police it deserves. The rest of the country will not be far behind.
I know some of you think of the draft as involuntary servitude. I agree to a point but the military was always a source of high quality
recruits.
 
12-34 hom "Must meet thier guidelines for thier Mission Statement.... "

I wondered about that "Mission" myself.What happened to General Hobnobbing?

The Anti-LEO content of the board is high or the gun crowd is letting the "people with an agenda" control them again. It's funny how everyone may agree on gun ownership and then fall apart on justice and what is right or wrong.

Until we can agree on Morals, Laws and their enforcement we are not going to accomplish the "Mission" .I'm afraid we will self-destruct ourselves before we ever come close to winning this battle.

I was flamed by people on this board last week for things that I didn't even say and was accused of being Holier Than Thou just for being LEO.

We are not your enemy. But continue to treat us as such and you may cause another brother to become defensive of the attitude with which he is treated. You guys can dish it out to us on this board or others because you are in the safe confines of your keyboard, but someday you may want us to "Do whatever you have to to catch the person who did this to our child." And we will have to remind you of your previous demands of political correctness.

No one likes to be mistreated or abused. I still treat a man like a man until he decides he doesn't want to be treated with respect. Then he has made the decision, not me.

As far as a "Runners Fee" I think this was adjecated somewhat, but you try being NICE after chasing some POS with him barring no holds until he realizes his flight is futile and then you think that he gets to decide that "OK, game over time to be nice again" Do you think he should have control of the game that he wanted to play after he see's that he has lost?

Do you fear your legislators as much as you fear a LEO ? There are politicians with your interest and there are those with an agenda to pursue.The people you put in office are the ones that make the laws,and guess who gets blamed for the one's you don't like? Yes, Law Enforcement. LE has good people and bad just like anyother job. But if we continue to be chastised by all of you that spew hate and discontent for LEOs. Well, I hope you will understand where that attitude you speak of came from. It came from you !

PROSOUTH

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To swallow and follow, whether old doctrine or new propaganda, is a weakness still dominating the human mind. (C.P.Gillman)

[This message has been edited by PROSOUTH (edited September 16, 2000).]
 
If thinking that law-enforcement officers should not physically abuse suspects in custody is "cop-bashing," then consider me a proud cop-basher.

Any LEO who abuses his authority in this manner IS the enemy, of me and anybody else who really cares about freedom and justice.

Cops who beat on suspects are just the same as cops who take bribes, plant evidence, and lie under oath: the lowest of the low. They deserve nothing but contempt, for sullying the badge that so many others have worn with honor.

Later,
Chris

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"TV what do I see, tell me who to believe, what's the use of autonomy when a button does it all??" - Incubus, Idiot Box
 
I don't see Ed Parker's editorial as anti-LEO. I do see it as being anti-some-LEO's, but not anti-LEO. He talks about getting back to AZ, where cops "are generally friendlier". He asks for the help of good LEO's in controlling these bad apples so they can end up where they belong, "behind the fryer at Wendy's".

If you can't see that there are bad elements in your profession, then you have blinders on. The vast majority of cops are good guys. It's the seeming lack of controls on the bad ones that worry us civilians. And this forum is not populated by a bunch of knee-jerk liberals that see any use of force by police as inherently bad.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PROSOUTH:
12-34 hom ...you try being NICE after chasing some POS with him barring no holds until he realizes his flight is futile and then you think that he gets to decide that "OK, game over time to be nice again" Do you think he should have control of the game that he wanted to play after he see's that he has lost?

PROSOUTH

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Uh, yeah I do. I thought you were only allowed to use sufficient force to control a situation. If the situation becomes controlled, the "game" as you call it is over.

It's funny how perspective changes. I work in mental health. I've been bit, hit with fists and blunt instruments, spit on, kicked in the groin, held at knife point, and threatened with a gun. I've run after dangerous and aggressive fleeing patients who were openly combative when I caught them. I've had to help physically quell patient riots in inpatient settings. I'm expected to restrain them safely when I do. If I hit and kick one of them or God-forbid leave a scratch or bruise on one of them, the police come and arrest me for abuse. Should it be any different for the police?

I don't think the point is to copbash. I think the point is that LEO are not the law nor are they above it.

RJ
 
It seems like anytime that we start to talk about bad cops we are acused of cop bashing.It you cops are standing up for bad cops then what does that make you????????????

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Everybody take a step back and a deep breath.

I would think this is one post we could all agree on. Cops and non-cops would agree that this guy's attitude is not the norm and not acceptable...period. So let's start bashing the host and (pseudo?) guest rather than each other.

When we started TFL we hoped it would help bridge the gap between LEO's and nonLEO's, not widen it. If everyone insists on the comfortable mindset of their current surroundings and is unwilling to see the other side, even a little, we're sunk.

Rich
 
"Christopher II ; If thinking that law-enforcement officers should not physically abuse suspects in custody is "cop-bashing," then consider me a proud cop-basher"

I agree with you Chris. I have never "Abused" anyone and do not intend to or condone it. However, it is as I stated, hard to be NICE to someone who has just tried to run you over or whatever force he could use to flee your custody.

One question, if I slapped you and then before you could react said "Game over" would you be nice to me? Yeah right, but we must and do use all of the restraint that we have and they play the system, believe me.

Originally posted by PROSOUTH:
12-34 hom ...you try being NICE after chasing some POS with him barring no holds until he realizes his flight is futile and then you think that he gets to decide that "OK, game over time to be nice again" Do you think he should have control of the game that he wanted to play after he see's that he has lost?
PROSOUTH
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Capt Blith ; Uh, yeah I do. I thought you were only allowed to use sufficient force to control a situation. If the situation becomes controlled, the "game" as you call it is over.
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Yes, that is correct. But the key words here are "If the situation becomes controlled, then the "game" as you call it is over." Not if, but when, and yes it is.
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RICH; When we started TFL we hoped it would help bridge the gap between LEO's and non-LEO's, not widen it. If everyone insists on the comfortable mindset of their current surroundings and is unwilling to see the other side, even a little, we're sunk.
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Gentlemen the mindset that Rich speaks of is correct. I say it's hard to be NICE and there are visions of Rodney King in your mind. Even when Rodney King was abused he was the one who wouldn't quit playing the game. The media continued to play their choice segment over and over that would incite the public the most. They would not show the part that led up to the "choice piece" they wanted to show. Did any of you see the whole tape? Rodney continued and continued to resist and would not give up. Therefore the situation was not under control.

NO, I did not agree with the result of his persistence. But I am pointing out that the media continued to exploit this just as they do our cause of weapons ownership. Let one guy shoot up a school and because you are also weapon owners you are lumped into the same bag.

Now, The same abuse against all gun owners that you seemingly disspise is being turned around and being used by you on LEOs. We do have bad officers. There is no doubt. The point is that you continue to tag us as all being bad or extremist. So just as you resent all gun owners being tagged as bad, so do we as being LEOs.

Did you ever think that you are doing exactly what the people pushing this agenda wanted? They want you to hate LEOs; they in turn want us to be agitated by your attitude. They want you to develop that attitude. They want it to divide us and it seems that they are doing a good job.

It seems that the chip that was created for a minority race to carry is now being planted on your shoulder. It will divide us and we will be conquered. It's the “ Us against Them” that they want to cultivate. The North against the South, the Poor against the Rich, the Black against the White, the Gun Owner against the LEO.

The writing is on the wall. If you look you will see it, or can't you see the Forrest for the trees?

Flame, Spew Hate, Disagree or whatever, but think about what I have said. I am telling you the truth; "We are not your enemy". Your discontent with LEOs will be used against your right to gun ownership. The anti-gunners will identify your aversion with Laws and LEOs and point out how not only are you for gun ownership but that you are against everyone, even the Peace Officer.

Haven't heard that one lately have you? "Peace Officer". Well that's what I am and that's what we should still be called. But that didn't go along with the mindset they wished to create did it?

PROSOUTH




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To swallow and follow, whether old doctrine or new propaganda, is a weakness still dominating the human mind. (C.P.Gillman)
 
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