Cop-Killer Alive and Well in the Comfort of his Homeland- MEXICO!

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Vanguard.45

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And they won't allow him to be extradited unless we agree to spare his life and give him the chance for parole!

For those not following, an illegal immigrant in Denver named Raul Garcia Gomez was upset when an off-duty police officer working a security gig would not let him back into a party. Gomez shot one securtiy officer and shot and killed another.

Then he runs back to Mexico and is now safe from prosecution!

Great to know the illegals are such a POSITIVE influence on our society and that the Mexican government (who receives BILLIONS in foreign aid) are so cooperative!

Lock down the borders and end foreign aid to Mexico! Sounds reasonable, HMMMM?

Vanguard.45
 
So, your point is that out of the alledged tens of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants last year, one of them killed a police officer?

One?

Okay... :rolleyes:

We get stronger when an immigrant crosses the border, and the country they're leaving gets weaker.

It should be easier, as in "give me your tired..."
 
It remains to be seen if he is extradited. I believe he will be. The Denver DA will probably guarantee he won't go for the death penalty, and will give him a chance for parole with the governor in, say, 30 years. And no governor of Colorado is going to parole a cop killer.

If he is not extradited, he'll be tried and certainly sentenced to Mexican jail. From what I've heard, he'll WISH he was dead after a couple of years of Mexican jail.
 
I don't see how you can possibly make the argument that one illegal immigrant killed a cop and we should close the border. There are plenty of cop killers born in this country.

As for extradition from Mexico. I don't know if they should. Prisoners have rights here.

I hada conversation with a friend from Peru (another non death penalty country). I asked "What do you do with somebody who kills a little kid or something like that?" He says people like that just go to prison and never come back. They just "disappear".
 
Can't be. Not possible. Obviously this well-intentioned, hard working individual was framed unjustly for a murder he did not commit. I have it on the authority of none other than the president of the USoA these hard workers just want to do the work Americans won't do.

Then there is that little thingy of all the outstanding warrants in LA county, but hey, why let reality bother us.
 
So, your point is that out of the alledged tens of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants last year, one of them killed a police officer?

Yes, and tens of thousands of them are in OUR jails being takne care of with OUR tax dollars

Millions are on social rpogarmas and receiving FREE medical with OUR tax dollars

They are paying NOHING or next to NOTHING in taxes

They have children at an ALARMING rate. These children's, medical, school, food stamps, WIC , English as a second language classes are PAID for with OUR tax dollars

We get stronger when an immigrant crosses the border, and the country they're leaving gets weaker.

Yeah', sure we're getting their best and their brightest Mexico ags to offer :barf: That's a real knee slapper, do you even believe yourself??? Guess thta's why Vicente Fox can't get rid of them fast enouhg. That Cuban boat people fiasco was also great for us in the Carter era.

It should be easier, as in "give me your tired..."

If ALL they were was tired, we'd be OK, unfortunately they're are also many other things these days. This isn't the days when an immigrant either worked and earned or died, now you come, take and kick back and relax. I love watching the newly arrived Russian immigrants buy the best steaks with the food stamps I PAID for with MY tax dollars. NICE.
 
I get annoyed with the type of attitude voiced toward Mexicans by some Americans.

Firstly- if an American had shot and killed a Mexican policeman how would Americans feel about him being shipped to Mexico to face the music.

Secondly- America has for years had a two faced view toward illegal immigrants- letting them in to work doing picking work Americans won't do and then shipping them out when the crops have been harvested.

Most Mexican workers are on my understanding hard working and very few break the law (other than by their very presence on US soil).
 
Most Mexican workers are on my understanding hard working and very few break the law (other than by their very presence on US soil).

SORRY, but you're either telling a lie to support your view of the world, or you have your eyes and ears slammed shut because that helps to support your view of the world.

5 minutes on the interent and here are some figures. Dispute them if you will, but the come fromn private, government and major media outlets. I don't think they're all lying. Sorry, but I couldn't find the exact % of illegasl in jails for OTHER crimes from AZ, NM and CA, I heard them before and they are HORRIBLE. I could also tell you my own experiences arresting many "recent" arrivals to our once great nation. The FACT is that MANY illegals aren't the peachy keen hard working menches just trying to make a better life for their families that some would like us to believe. There are countless Mexican and other Hispanic gangs loaded with illegals in EVERY major city and some not so major ones as well.


The U.S. federal government spent $5.8 billion over the past three years to incarcerate criminal aliens—nonresidents who are in the country illegally or legally and convicted of a crime.

Thta's just Federal, and you know the states have WAY more!

The report by the General Accounting Office—the investigative arm of Congress—shows the number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased from about 42,000 at the end of 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of last year.

The majority of criminal aliens were identified as citizens of Mexico

In addition, state prisons in fiscal 2003 housed about 74,000 criminal aliens. About 80 percent were in just five states—Arizona, California, Florida, New York and Texas.

Want to bet me where they come from????

July 9— The government said today it has arrested nearly 90 illegal aliens who were still living in the United States after serving time for sex crimes against children.

The recidivism rate among criminal aliens deported is 40 percent. That means 40 percent of them return and commit more crime.

NICE.

The percentage of jail inmates in Los Angeles who are deportable aliens rose from 11 percent to 17 percent in June 1995 and 23 percent in January of 2000.

Phoenix jails (search) house 1,200 criminal aliens, including Perez, who by law should have been deported. But because of federal bureaucracy and an overburdened system, only the most dangerous felons are actually sent home.

SCARY, must have to rape or kill to get the boot!

An estimated 465,000 people in this country have gone into hiding after receiving deportation orders. That includes as many as 85,000 immigrants who have been convicted of a crime, said Manny Van Pelt, a spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

WOW, better than 1500 convicted illegals per state who have refused to leave, I feel better already.

In Los Angeles County, interest in the program is in large part financial. About 30 percent of the 18,000 jail inmates are foreign-born, but there are only two federal agents assigned to determine who should be deported.

In a separate study also made public this week, the GAO noted that one-quarter of the criminal immigrants arrested were in jail for drug offenses, while 12 percent were jailed for assorted violent crimes.

Do a GOOGLE search you can't FIND a state that isn't concerend with the % of illegals committing crimes and filling already crowded jails!
 
Some responses to Lawyer Daggit

"I get annoyed with the type of attitude voiced toward Mexicans by some Americans."

I am annoyed by you, so what's your point?


"Firstly- if an American had shot and killed a Mexican policeman how would Americans feel about him being shipped to Mexico to face the music."

Ship the American out to face justice. It would not probably be the same situation, however, since MANY Mexican police officers are probably making a little "money on the side" if you catch my drift.

"Secondly- America has for years had a two faced view toward illegal immigrants- letting them in to work doing picking work Americans won't do and then shipping them out when the crops have been harvested."

I'll solve two problems for you. Force the welfare recipients to pick the crops to earn their money and keep the immigrants out. How about that???

"Most Mexican workers are on my understanding hard working and very few break the law (other than by their very presence on US soil)."

Do some more research and you'll find that illegal immigration costs this nation BILLIONS of dollars each year.


My major concern is that we are giving Mexico BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars in foreign aid, and then they proclaim that they want to make demands about criminals who kill police officers in OUR nation after doing nothing but ENCOURAGING their people to illegally cross the border!

Fine. They can do that, but we should cut off the money! He who pays the bills should make the rules, don't you think???

Cut them off, and then see how they like making demands! You'll see how quickly their MORALITY dries up!

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That's what I like to see, bigotry that doesn't pretend to hide...

Yes, and tens of thousands of them are in OUR jails being takne care of with OUR tax dollars
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Citation, please.

Millions are on social rpogarmas and receiving FREE medical with OUR tax dollar
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Citation, please.

They are paying NOHING or next to NOTHING in taxes
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Citation, please.

If you prefer, produce just one citation for any of your claims.

They have children at an ALARMING rate. These children's, medical, school, food stamps, WIC , English as a second language classes are PAID for with OUR tax dollars
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Oh, wait, wait...

If they have children, wouldn't there be a TERM for those children?

Oh, wait, *I* have one: American. They would be Americans.

Just like, I presume, you.

A native born American. Just like you. Just like me. A full fledged, red faced, sputtering, indignant member of the tribe.

I love it when bigotry doesn't even try to hide.
 
Lawyer Daggit put in () the term "(other than by their very presence on US soil)."

Cute . Still a crime . How about this ? "Your Honor , other than killing and raping the young lady my client has done NOTHING else to deserve a prison sentence".

Then Jammer spouts with righteous indignation "I love it when bigotry doesn't even try to hide."

So does that make the ILLEGAL still ILLEGAL ?? Let me help you with the answer .....it's YES !!! So since the bed wetting libs don't want to separate the family they all get to stay just because one sow pumped one out on this side of the border . That's not bigotry , that's common sense . I bet you're still mad about Kerry losing ........BIG!!!
 
Vocabulary, the key to success... :D

That wasn't indignation, that was mild amusement.

Cada uno intenta tener una noche agradable.
 
That's what I like to see, bigotry that doesn't pretend to hide...

Should I fall pray to the "call em' a bigot and they'll stop challenging us" defense? I could care less what you think. If not wanting it to be easy ior legal for any Mexican (or any other nationality) who so chooses to just walk into the U.S. unannounced, makes me a bigot..I PLEAD GUILTY!

JUST to make you feel better and typing REAL slowly, I am not suggesting persons come here illegally or legally from ANY country, except when they have something to offer. If we need computer guys, ditch diggers, surgeons bring them in limited numbers after thorough screening.


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Yes, and tens of thousands of them are in OUR jails being taken care of with OUR tax dollars


Citation, please.

The report by the General Accounting Office—the investigative arm of Congress—shows the number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased from about 42,000 at the end of 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of last year.

The majority of criminal aliens were identified as citizens of Mexico

How's that????

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Millions are on social programs and receiving FREE medical with OUR tax dollar


Citation, please.

First off, are you saying that there aren't millions of illegals getting the benefit of our social programs, free schooling, emergency room treatment, welfare, college tuition in SOME states??? Have you been to an emergency room lately??? They have no insurance, speak no English, but get service just like all the insurance paying persons. You don't have to be a detective to see what is happening. Do I want to let someone suffer? No, I'm for stopping them from coming or sending them back. Once they're here I understand the humanitarian need to give aid at the hospital.

There are MILLIONS of illegals living here, we receive hundreds of thousands every year. They use our schools, subways, buses, police, fire, roads, social programs, jails, emergency rooms, legal systeam, libraries, etc. etc. Are they NOT getting MANY of the same benefits despite the fact that they pay an miniscule % of the taxes that the average tax paying U.S. citizen does? In fact one could argue that on average they use a much higher % of some services, such as free medical care because they HAVE no insurance, school budgets, because thay require extra help with schooling. All this drains an already strapped system.

"Anchor babies," the author writes, "born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income." Between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

Is that OK???


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They are paying NOHING or next to NOTHING in taxes


Citation, please.

Oh, OK you got me here, most of them... even though they are here illegally pay their taxes every April 15th, the also pay the huge property taxes like many of us do....PUUUULEEEEASE

If you prefer, produce just one citation for any of your claims.


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They have children at an ALARMING rate. These children's, medical, school, food stamps, WIC , English as a second language classes are PAID for with OUR tax dollars

In Europe the birth rate is about 1.5, illegal immigrants in the U.S. is about 2.4 (probably higher but record keeping is hard when your illegal in the first place) and the U.S. as a whole is about 2 or so. What is alarming is that though they are here illegally, WITHOUT insurance theya are still reproducing at a higher rate. 2.4 vs. 2.0 may not seem like much until you look at the %'s. If illegal aliens are reproducing at around a 25% greater rate and they're here illegally to boot..yes, I call that alarming.


Oh, wait, wait...

If they have children, wouldn't there be a TERM for those children?

Oh, wait, *I* have one: American. They would be Americans.

Just like, I presume, you.

A native born American. Just like you. Just like me. A full fledged, red faced, sputtering, indignant member of the tribe.

NOPE, maybe like you not me. My grandparents broke no laws, they weren't engaging in criminal behavior when they entered this country. They never trespassed, lied, cheated or "played" the system in any way. My granparents got no free medical, bilingual education, welfare or other help from the U.S. government.

The children are just that children, the illegal alien parents are the law breakers

I love it when bigotry doesn't even try to hide.

Just because I don't like OUR country being invaded doesn't make me a bigot. If it makes you feel better to label those who don't agree with you as bigots, feel free. Since you support the invasion of our country by illegal foreigners perhaps you'de be well served by a label as well...how's unpatriotic. If the show fits.

Oh and buddy, WHY don't YOU produce some, how do like to refer to them...."CITATIONS" Show me how GREAT illegal immigration is for the country.
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The report by the General Accounting Office—the investigative arm of Congress—shows the number of criminal aliens in federal prisons increased from about 42,000 at the end of 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of last year.

The majority of criminal aliens were identified as citizens of Mexico

How's that???
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Dandy.

Except for the little detail that it's not a citation...

Do you have a citation for your claim, or is it merely opinion?

Citation, please.

First off, are you saying that there aren't millions of illegals getting the benefit of our social programs, free schooling, emergency room treatment, welfare?, college tuition in SOME states??? Have you been to an emergency room lately??? I have no insurance, no English, but service just like me. Do i want to let someone suffer, no I'd rather we stop them from coming or send them back. Once thy're here I understand the humnaitarian need to give aid at the hospital.

There are MILLIONS of illegals living here, we receive hundreds of thousands every year. They use our schools, subways, buses, police, fire, roads, social programs, jails, emergency rooms, legal systeam, libraries, etc. etc. Are they NOT getting MANY of the same benefits despite the fact that they pay an miniscule % of the taxes that the average tax paying U.S. citizen does? In fact one could argue that on average they use a much higher % of free medical services because they HAVE no insurance, require extra help with schooling draining an already strapped system.

"Anchor babies," the author writes, "born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income." Between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

Is that OK???
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Sure.

Except for the little nit that it's not a citation, either.

Do you have a citation for your claim, or is it merely your opinion?



Citation, please.

Oh, OK you got me here,
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I know.

Do you have citations for any of your claims, or are they merely your opinion?

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They have children at an ALARMING rate. These children's, medical, school, food stamps, WIC , English as a second language classes are PAID for with OUR tax dollars

In Europe the birth rate is about 1.5, illegal immigrants in the U.S. is about 2.4 (probably higher but record keeping is hard when your illegal in the first place) and the U.S. as a whole is about 2 or so. What is alarming is that though they are here illegally, WITHOUT insurance theya are still reproducing at a higher rate. 2.4 vs. 2.0 may not seem like much until you look at the %'s. If illegal aliens are reproducing at around a 25% greater rate and they're here illegally to boot..yes, I call that alarming.
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Do you have a citation for this latest claim, or is it also merely your opinion?

Oh, wait, wait...

If they have children, wouldn't there be a TERM for those children?

Oh, wait, *I* have one: American. They would be Americans.

Just like, I presume, you.

A native born American. Just like you. Just like me. A full fledged, red faced, sputtering, indignant member of the tribe.
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NOPE, maybe like you not me. My grandparents broke no laws, they weren't engaging in criminal behavior when they entered this country. They never trespassed, lied, cheated or "played" the system in any way. My granparents got no free medical, bilingual education, welfare or other help from the U.S. government.

The children are just that children, the illegal alien parents are the law breakers
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You're not American?

Well, okay, if you say so...

Personally, I think you missed that last point, but if you're entitled to your opinion, it's your heritage, I guess.

And finally, you don't really know what a citation is, do you?

So asking you for one, let alone four, wasn't really a fair tactic, was it?

Cada uno intenta tener una noche agradable.
 
You're not American?

I think you understood my reply... the methods employed by my relatives and the manor in which I in turn came to be an American is entirely different from illegal immigration which leads to children being born in this country.

If your OK with people sneaking into OUR country JUST SAY SO and stop nit picking.

And finally, you don't really know what a citation is, do you?

Very funny genius, these were cut and pasted in a prior post. If YOU REALLy want to know where they came from, copy the text and GOOGLE it. Many of them will come up on many pages in addition to the government entity or organization who generated them. I'm not your law clerk, and since I already went through the trouble once, I am not going to go back and do it it again. The first blurb I CITED (oops..I mean cut and pasted) came from the GENERAL ACOUNTING OFFICE (the investigative arm of the Congress). Surely you could read that, it's right there in the text, if you doubt the validity of the numbers LOOK IT UP and then call your Congressman.

Here's another clue, type in Arizona prisoner population, New Mexico prisoner population, Texas, California, New York etct. Try hospitals and illegal immigrants, try illegal immigrants and school costs, try illegal immigrants and crime, try illegal immigrants an communicable diseases.

The numbers are out there, you know that, but you don't care you support open borders at all costs.

So asking you for one, let alone four, wasn't really a fair tactic, was it?

Again bright eyes, they only thing you've offered is personnal attacks, we don't even know what you're real solution is to the immigation policy as it exists today. At least I gave opinions and offered some figures to support my assertions. On the other hand you offer nothing but snide remarks.

If I thought there was even a shred of hope for you, it might be worth directing you directly to some articles on the costs/problems with immigration as it works today. the thing is we both know your mind is closed and this is purely an emotional feel good stance you've taken. You're for it but you don't know why.


Don't bother replying, you've said enough (nothing).


Citation #1

Florida hospitals hit by illegal alien costs
 
At least I gave opinions and offered some figures to support my assertions.
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Well, there it is.

And no, none of what you've given are citations, but I thank you for your opinions.

No one is above being asked to support their assertions with citations. The way citations are produced have been standard for a very long time. One of the more subtle facets of correct citations is this: if you knew how to read them, you'd know how to write them. Therefore, since you don't know how to write them, you don't know how to read them, either.

Given that, how do you know, since you obviously didn't track down the citations, since you don't know how to read them, that the information that the GAO, and the other sources you claim you have are telling you the truth?

Citations are about keeping authors honest, by separating opinion from fact, and if you read what the government feeds you, or the media, or the history books, for that matter, and you don't question the veracity of the claims, you are vulnerable to whatever shenanigans authors want to inflict on you.

Because, in part, of our little conversation, and because, as I suspected, there is nothing behind your opinions but more of your opinions, I WILL be calling my congressman.

I'll be calling him to urge him to open our borders, and then use the money for more useful, obtainable goals, like putting adequate armor on our children before we send them into battle in Iraq.

We get stronger every time an immigrant crosses our borders. The sick, lame and lazy don't come, and we're coming into what the border agents at the Mexican border call the "season of death".

As you point out, you are here by an accident of birth.

They are literally dying to get here, and their efforts humble us both.

And finally, just out of curiosity, why does it get to you so to have your opinions labeled as opinion?
 
Great to know the illegals are such a POSITIVE influence on our society and that the Mexican government (who receives BILLIONS in foreign aid) are so cooperative!
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That is why they let federal agents follow him throughout Mexico :rolleyes: . Doesn't sound like they cooperated very much. Just like the American who committed crimes in Singapore. Clinton was trying to convince their government to go easy on him and to not abide by their rules of punishment. I agree he should be extradited and tried by our laws. If somebody commits a crime in another country then they should be tried according to the rules of that country. The fact that the Mexican government allowed the FBI and U.S. Marshalls in to search for him clearly states that Mexico cooperated with us. How could you possibly state otherwise.
 
What's your DEAL, JammerSix??

Why don't you start by reading the article posted above and give us your take.

Then, wake up and use your brain instead of your bias. Illegal Immigration is a crime that should not be tolerated. I cite common sense.

Period.

And if your want to post Spanish, take it to another forum where somebody gives a damn! Go back to Mexico if that's the culture in which you are wanting to swim. And keep your countrymen out of our waters unless they have a legal right to be here.

Vanguard.45
 
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