Contact your representative now for ccw

You know to put the same phrase back on you basically, you are making an assumption here. You have no evidence of this.
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By the time I have evidence, it will be too late. However, we've got precedent. Consider the 1986 FOPA. That was a good bill until Rangel got his hooks into it at the last minute and slipped in a poison pill.

We're still living with the fallout from that.
 
sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. there are examples when it went the other way. we might have to put a bottle of scotch on this one someday.....
 
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By the time I have evidence, it will be too late. However, we've got precedent. Consider the 1986 FOPA. That was a good bill until Rangel got his hooks into it at the last minute and slipped in a poison pill.
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Poison pill, heck. The FOPA was never a good bill. Look how the basic premise plays out in real life. Greg Revell misses a connection at Newark Airport, spends a night in an airport hotel, and goes to jail for illegally possessing a firearm in NJ.

People are convinced that the FOPA (which, after all is based on interstate commerce, doesn't apply if you are traveling between contiguous states. So if I live in New Mexico and I go to Arizona to buy something, that's NOT interstate commerce?

Other people believe that the FOPA allows ONLY for actual travel -- to the extent that it doesn't allow the traveler to stop for gas, food, or potty breaks, let alone stopping to sleep for the night. Does the FOPA actually say that if I'm driving from Maine to San Diego I have to drive straight through, that if I stop to sleep in Des Moines I am no longer under the umbrella of the FOPA?

I don't think any of the above make sense. But, given the lousy wording of the law, I understand how people come to have these fears. The FOPA was never a good bill. It was a not-so-bad idea, but horribly executed from the outset. In reality, it's clear that whoever drafted it never thought beyond travel by private auto.
 
I see it as a foot in the door when this bill passes
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If you like foot in the door over camel's nose - OK..........but it will be the FED'S foot in the door to gun control, not gun freedom

Nationalization is not the answer, nor is allowing the feds the authority to control it - which is what will happen here

We let the feds start to control schools and education some decades back and the kids are dumber than ever - they screw up things very easily and then build a bureaucracy to control and oversee it - we do not need that with gun ownership or carry
 
I don't think any of the above make sense. But, given the lousy wording of the law,
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As a side note, here in FLA when the CC laws were written and introduced into law they were anything but perfect.
Before the laws were amended, If you lived across the street from a school or were driving past the school you were in violation of the CC law providing you had a CC license. Duh-huh jeez we didn't think of that. Big whoops. As it stands looking at things as I approach 60 years old the federal government has done plenty wrong/get plenty wrong and when it is realized it takes forever to correct it or they just say screw it and do nothing.
Living in FLA I am more than happy with the current respiratory agreement that FLA has with other states.
Born and raised in NYC I have no desire to go back to the big apple, NJ, DC, IL, CA. This again as others have stated is NOT THE MAGIC CURE ALL PILL. Folks that are so engraved in the 2 nd. amendment and have had no luck getting CCW permits laws changed can always move if it means that much to them.
 
Folks that are so engraved in the 2 nd. amendment and have had no luck getting CCW permits laws changed can always move if it means that much to them.
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That's not even a realistic option for a lot of people. That's akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water. My entire family is around my area, have an extremely well paying job, and own a pretty nice house. No thanks. Hopefully the one issue I have will change by either HR822, SCOTUS favorable decision, or the states collectively agreeing, rather than me creating other issues for myself and family.
 
And here cometh H.R. 3543

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/national-concealed-carry-_n_1138835.html

This would over-ride Illinois state law and would honor non-residents's carry permits and allow them to carry in Illinois. But Illinois citizens still would not be allowed to carry.

I just can't take it. It's bad enough that the cheeseheads won the Superbowl, and knocked us out of the playoffs in the process. But now they're going to be able to come to Illinois armed when we're not even allowed to be armed?

It's too much :(
 
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Sounds like a bad precedent altogether having DC vote on my state's policy regarding Cheeseheads with guns.

That aside...is he trying to let Illinois citizens get non resident permits from another state, and then use that to carry in Illinois?
Are there states that will issue Illinois citizens a non resident permit, currently?
 
Yes there are a lot of states that issue non-res permits. In fact in some cases it's easier for me to get a non-res permit in PA than it is for someone who lives in a state that issues.

The PA statute reads:

(e)(1) A license to carry a firearm shall be for the purpose of carrying a firearm concealed on or about one's person or in a vehicle and shall be issued if, after an investigation not to exceed 45 days, it appears that the applicant is an individual concerning whom no good cause exists to deny the license. A license shall not be issued to any of the following:
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(ix) A resident of another state who does not possess a current license or permit or similar document to carry a firearm issued by that state if a license is provided for by the laws of that state, as published annually in the Federal Register by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(19) (relating to definitions).

So if you live in a state that issues, you have to have a CCW permit from that state.

The state that doesn't issue CCW permits of any kind to anyone, no way no how:

ILLINOIS​

If you live in a state that issues without too much hassle then there is no advantage, but in some cases it is easier for me to get a PA CCW than it would be, for instance for someone who lives in CA and is being hassled and denied their CCW by their local anti-gun constabulary. I think NJ might be another example of how it would be easier for me to get a PA permit than someone in NJ.
 
Works both ways

If there is a reciprocity law passed, could not New York Calif and Ilannoy require all other states adhere to THEIR policy of no guns unless you are a criminaL?
 
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