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Sir William
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Slight thread drift but, on topic if we consider TEOTWAWKI. China and India are creating a new order, have a full third of the worlds population and the USA is leaning heavily on their manufacturing. Could the manufacturing be Asianbased and the labour be Central Americanbased? The USA could become less than a superpower and a consumer nation.
back in the day you had what were called 'witch doctors', or 'medicine men'. they derived their 'power' from knowledge that the 'common' folk didn't possess. for example, knowledge of solar and lunar eclipses.
when a known (to the medicine man, of course) solar or lunar eclipse was coming, he could start conjouring up stuff and telling the commons to submit or else. when the eclipse came, WHOA BOY!! you could get some people really freaked out.
and guess what, they would believe that it was the spells and conjourings of the medicine man. of course once people became educated, this kind of 'magic' no longer worked.
to keep this short, shootinstudent, to answer your question "who it is you think is controlling everything", the answer is those who know more than we do. WAY more. like, ancient mysteries and stuff like that. the stuff that built the Great Pyramid. anyway ...
Sir William, i believe you may be on to something there. the middle class are to 'smart' to fall for medicine man 'magic', so we have a deliberate dumbing down of the masses, mainly through television. and what is television chock full of? commercials. that get you to buy stuff. stuff made in china and/or india. like a good little consumer.
when a known (to the medicine man, of course) solar or lunar eclipse was coming, he could start conjouring up stuff and telling the commons to submit or else. when the eclipse came, WHOA BOY!! you could get some people really freaked out.
and guess what, they would believe that it was the spells and conjourings of the medicine man. of course once people became educated, this kind of 'magic' no longer worked.
to keep this short, shootinstudent, to answer your question "who it is you think is controlling everything", the answer is those who know more than we do. WAY more. like, ancient mysteries and stuff like that. the stuff that built the Great Pyramid. anyway ...
Sir William, i believe you may be on to something there. the middle class are to 'smart' to fall for medicine man 'magic', so we have a deliberate dumbing down of the masses, mainly through television. and what is television chock full of? commercials. that get you to buy stuff. stuff made in china and/or india. like a good little consumer.
Garand Illusion
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ROFLMAO
Oh yeah ... this is fun stuff here. People just sure that some "shadowy force" that knows about how the pyramids were built is actually controlling everything. Sounds to me like you are all on a search for God. Head to a church, gentlemen, and at least you'll learn a faith in a greater power that doesn't drive you to start hoarding fertilizer and ammo.
But what the heck ... I love to play ... since so many easy ones were set up for me I might as well whack away at them with a little common sense:
I've known a number of people working in politics at different levels. And believe me -- it ain't the money that gets them there; it's the feeling of being in the know and being in charge. It's fairly easy for an educated man to make lots of $$ in this country; the kinds of guys who are big enough players to become senators could also be multi-million dollar a year CEO's. But instad they satisfy themselves with only a small fortune and being the person constantly on camera to the American people and helping to control the nation. $$ is nice, but power is better.
Perhaps you should get involved in the poliitical process. Most of our senators and presidents started out at the grass roots level working for their parties and taking lower positions, like in state legistlatures. Not a lot of $$ there, and it hurts your career (known a few of those personally).
Obviously not impossible -- but very difficult. And not a sure sign of success. How long did the Russians hold out at Stalingrad? How many cities in the US were under siege for long periods of time and attempted to starve out in the civil war? You can't just cut off water for a couple of days and call a people tamed. It takes months, and if the people are resolute and dig in, even more. And will the rest of the world/US just sit by while this happens? Will commanders overseas just watch instead of disengaging and turning their weapons against the real enemy?
Sorry, man -- can't happen.
Um ... no again. And still no. And still ignorant.
I know about Tom Tancredo, he's one of my senators. Never has he spoken out against any plan to turn the US into a slave state to the UN. And he would if he knew about it, because that's the kind of guy he is.
He's simply taken a strong stand against a lot of self righteous indignation against illegals getting benefits and recognition in Colorado. He's not a paranoid delusionist; just a man trying to support the laws of the US.
Yup ... and on a warm sunny day there could be a storm brewing. Or not. But I don't spend all my sunny days in the tornado shelter just in case.
Theres a lot of food in this country, and to stop the people in the largest cities from going to get it (remember, they have lots of trucks, food, guns and organization) it would take a sizable force. Again ... what UN group would airlift it in? What army would seize the farmland and ranches?
Seriously, guy ... look for some help. Or just live in fear and slowly get old as nothing really changes.
Well ... there's always change, and sometimes we don't like it. But it's inevitable whether we like it or not.
All we can do is deal with what we know and try to make the world as best as possible. And if the SHTF ... the American people are not the lazy, cowardly people that so many would make us out to be. Ask the Germans or the Taliban. We'll deal with what happens. We can be as strong or stronger than any nation on Earth, and there are a whole lot of us with a lot of guns, money and resources.
Oh yeah ... this is fun stuff here. People just sure that some "shadowy force" that knows about how the pyramids were built is actually controlling everything. Sounds to me like you are all on a search for God. Head to a church, gentlemen, and at least you'll learn a faith in a greater power that doesn't drive you to start hoarding fertilizer and ammo.
But what the heck ... I love to play ... since so many easy ones were set up for me I might as well whack away at them with a little common sense:
I've known a number of people working in politics at different levels. And believe me -- it ain't the money that gets them there; it's the feeling of being in the know and being in charge. It's fairly easy for an educated man to make lots of $$ in this country; the kinds of guys who are big enough players to become senators could also be multi-million dollar a year CEO's. But instad they satisfy themselves with only a small fortune and being the person constantly on camera to the American people and helping to control the nation. $$ is nice, but power is better.
Perhaps you should get involved in the poliitical process. Most of our senators and presidents started out at the grass roots level working for their parties and taking lower positions, like in state legistlatures. Not a lot of $$ there, and it hurts your career (known a few of those personally).
Obviously not impossible -- but very difficult. And not a sure sign of success. How long did the Russians hold out at Stalingrad? How many cities in the US were under siege for long periods of time and attempted to starve out in the civil war? You can't just cut off water for a couple of days and call a people tamed. It takes months, and if the people are resolute and dig in, even more. And will the rest of the world/US just sit by while this happens? Will commanders overseas just watch instead of disengaging and turning their weapons against the real enemy?
Sorry, man -- can't happen.
Um ... no again. And still no. And still ignorant.
I know about Tom Tancredo, he's one of my senators. Never has he spoken out against any plan to turn the US into a slave state to the UN. And he would if he knew about it, because that's the kind of guy he is.
He's simply taken a strong stand against a lot of self righteous indignation against illegals getting benefits and recognition in Colorado. He's not a paranoid delusionist; just a man trying to support the laws of the US.
Yup ... and on a warm sunny day there could be a storm brewing. Or not. But I don't spend all my sunny days in the tornado shelter just in case.
Theres a lot of food in this country, and to stop the people in the largest cities from going to get it (remember, they have lots of trucks, food, guns and organization) it would take a sizable force. Again ... what UN group would airlift it in? What army would seize the farmland and ranches?
Seriously, guy ... look for some help. Or just live in fear and slowly get old as nothing really changes.
Well ... there's always change, and sometimes we don't like it. But it's inevitable whether we like it or not.
All we can do is deal with what we know and try to make the world as best as possible. And if the SHTF ... the American people are not the lazy, cowardly people that so many would make us out to be. Ask the Germans or the Taliban. We'll deal with what happens. We can be as strong or stronger than any nation on Earth, and there are a whole lot of us with a lot of guns, money and resources.
shootinstudent
You still haven't explained why the mainstream media are all playing the same music together. If it were a conspeewassy, no one would notice now would they? I mean conspeewassies are "secret" are they not?
Allende and his pigs about destroyed the nation of Chile - much in the same way similar governments are operating in socialist Europa. Evidently you have not been to - or spent much time in socialist Europa.
The Republic of Serbia was a nation that had also been subjected to a moderate form of communism under Tito (after being occupied by the Nazis during WW2). I went through Serbia twice in 1983 - a very clean and civilized country, perhaps well on the road to a return to it's pre-WW2 condition. But Milosevic was trying to suppress an insurgency, much the same type of elements that we are in Iraq, with the added element of a maoist drug cartel that called itself the "KLA". Albania and the Balkans has been the door for heroin to much of Europe, and Bill Clinton with a complicit Congress bombed Serbia in support of a geo-political agenda and drug cartel.
You really need to base your judgements on right and wrong on some kind of principle - as opposed to your TV set. You can not support what Comrade Bush is doing in Iraq, and at the same time try and paint Milosevic and Serbians as some kind of fiends.
You still haven't explained why the mainstream media are all playing the same music together. If it were a conspeewassy, no one would notice now would they? I mean conspeewassies are "secret" are they not?
Allende and his pigs about destroyed the nation of Chile - much in the same way similar governments are operating in socialist Europa. Evidently you have not been to - or spent much time in socialist Europa.
The Republic of Serbia was a nation that had also been subjected to a moderate form of communism under Tito (after being occupied by the Nazis during WW2). I went through Serbia twice in 1983 - a very clean and civilized country, perhaps well on the road to a return to it's pre-WW2 condition. But Milosevic was trying to suppress an insurgency, much the same type of elements that we are in Iraq, with the added element of a maoist drug cartel that called itself the "KLA". Albania and the Balkans has been the door for heroin to much of Europe, and Bill Clinton with a complicit Congress bombed Serbia in support of a geo-political agenda and drug cartel.
You really need to base your judgements on right and wrong on some kind of principle - as opposed to your TV set. You can not support what Comrade Bush is doing in Iraq, and at the same time try and paint Milosevic and Serbians as some kind of fiends.
Oooh yeah ... like Moise Tshombe. And Indira Ghandi; I do not think she stopped wanting to be India's head of state. Ian Douglas Smith tried very hard indeed. Anastasio Somoza Garcia and Anastasio Somoza Debayle - like father like son. Manuel Noriega was a reluctant soul - as was Charles Taylor. The 20th century third world is littered with the bodies of many of these people.
You want? Dear boy; I can tell you that about ninety percent of the media are all playing the same music - that doesn't mean to say I have to name all the composers. Perhaps you should ask them that one; I am sure alot of people would be interested to hear their reply to you.
Garand Illusion
But many senators and higher political leaders get opportunities to make money that most CEOs will never see.
At the highest levels, the sky's limit. But regardless, among those that have all the material wealth they could ever desire, for some the pursuit of power is all that is left.
The rest of the world will be busy coping with the sudden economic crash and their own problems.
Yep; I knew people like that in the military.
But many senators and higher political leaders get opportunities to make money that most CEOs will never see.
At the highest levels, the sky's limit. But regardless, among those that have all the material wealth they could ever desire, for some the pursuit of power is all that is left.
Naaah ... I am hoping to die from natural causes.
The pushbutton people of modern New York city are not those of 1942 Stalingrad - or Petersburg in 1864. Or 1900 Kimberly.
Commanders turning their weapons? What, strategic bombers? Sub-launched nukes? They going to level a few more of our cities to "save us"?
The rest of the world will be busy coping with the sudden economic crash and their own problems.
You are slipping a bit; I mentioned Tancredo because he is one of the few standing against an overwhelmingly dominant tide against the odds - not becuse he has spoken out against globalism.
Stopping people from "going to get it"? You are naive. In the event of such a catastrophy all routes out the major cities will be blocked. Some people would no doubt leave, but if the masses have ideas about getting in their cars and fleeing the cities I think they are in for a shock - if they happen to have enough gas in their tanks at the time to get to where they think they are going.
You're confused about something; I am being matter of fact. I have seen people en masse out of control before firsthand. I am certainly not afraid of the truth, which seems to be a major stumbling block for a great many people.
shootinstudent
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LAK,
What I've shown is that you don't read the papers. They aren't all singing the same song. What they have in common is that not a single one sings YOUR song. The Sacramento Bee sings a very different song from the Washington Post, and so on. You don't read those papers, that's why you can't tell the difference.
I believe you've got a prime suspect for the cause of all these problems you see....so why don't you name it? Are you so embarrassed of your views that you won't let us brainwashees in on who the real culprits are?
Hahah, is it a group that starts with a "J"?
What I've shown is that you don't read the papers. They aren't all singing the same song. What they have in common is that not a single one sings YOUR song. The Sacramento Bee sings a very different song from the Washington Post, and so on. You don't read those papers, that's why you can't tell the difference.
I believe you've got a prime suspect for the cause of all these problems you see....so why don't you name it? Are you so embarrassed of your views that you won't let us brainwashees in on who the real culprits are?
Hahah, is it a group that starts with a "J"?
shootinstudent,
Half my family are "Jewish" if that is the word your juvenile eyes are dying to read. I think you have some kind of hangup about them; but it is at least clear that you do not have the faintest idea what a Jew is - and you are under some other misguided popular notions as well.
You are denying the blatantly obvious. As blatantly obvious as the choruses coming from the "two parties" in Congress. Even FOX is very restrained (but mostly non-existant) in it's "opposition" to the others.
I have read articles from the Bee, the Post and dozens of others at various times. The odd times such papers write truely ideologically conflicting stories, editorials or columns are hardly a fractional percentage of the steady chorus from the main sources of information for the largest numbers of people in this country.
How many of your "conflicting stories" from the Bee or Post have been objectively investigated and covered by CNN? ABC? CBS? NBC? Prime time TV? National Public Radio? Or our foreign projection called the Voice of America?
Interesting enough it was the story of George H W Bush's fraudulent little Gulf War whore called "Nayirah" that was investigated and fully covered in a CBC program - but not by any of the "liberal-we-hate-Bush-rightwingers" channels in the United States.
Years later it was Bill Gallagher who wrote an article on this for the Niagara Falls Reporter. Gallagher worked for FOX News at the time. But FOX News wasn't about to dredge up one of the the lies and deceptions of George H W Bush and co. over the Gulf War - when the next one was ready for the oven. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, or any of the others didn't either.
Half my family are "Jewish" if that is the word your juvenile eyes are dying to read. I think you have some kind of hangup about them; but it is at least clear that you do not have the faintest idea what a Jew is - and you are under some other misguided popular notions as well.
You are denying the blatantly obvious. As blatantly obvious as the choruses coming from the "two parties" in Congress. Even FOX is very restrained (but mostly non-existant) in it's "opposition" to the others.
I have read articles from the Bee, the Post and dozens of others at various times. The odd times such papers write truely ideologically conflicting stories, editorials or columns are hardly a fractional percentage of the steady chorus from the main sources of information for the largest numbers of people in this country.
How many of your "conflicting stories" from the Bee or Post have been objectively investigated and covered by CNN? ABC? CBS? NBC? Prime time TV? National Public Radio? Or our foreign projection called the Voice of America?
Interesting enough it was the story of George H W Bush's fraudulent little Gulf War whore called "Nayirah" that was investigated and fully covered in a CBC program - but not by any of the "liberal-we-hate-Bush-rightwingers" channels in the United States.
Years later it was Bill Gallagher who wrote an article on this for the Niagara Falls Reporter. Gallagher worked for FOX News at the time. But FOX News wasn't about to dredge up one of the the lies and deceptions of George H W Bush and co. over the Gulf War - when the next one was ready for the oven. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, or any of the others didn't either.
Mike Irwin
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It's the Jews, folks, I'm telling you, it's the Jews.
They're going to lay siege to NYC just so they can keep those pushbutton people from pushing those buttons.
Them and their secret council of 13 (secret code for the 13 Federal Reserve Banks, don't you know) want to foment world disorder and economic chaos just to take over. Look at the colored money the US is now using. By virtue of the fact that it's colored, and we accepted it without protest, means that the Jews and the secret council of 13 OWN us. We're they're slaves...
I love Percodan dreams...
But wait, my Percodan, and other drugs legal and illegal, is just another tool used by the vast Illuminati conspiracy to "cattleize" the masses. That's why Colin Powell (NOT George Bush, trust me on this), Henry Ford (he perfected a potion of everlasting life, which he refuses to put on the market), and the Queen of England (she keeps major weight in that purse of hers) control the world's narcotics trade. Powell is really a Jew from the Lost Tribe of Ham, Ford is obviously an Illuminati, and the Queen is a Reptillian Alien.
Don't you see? DON'T YOU SEE?
They're going to lay siege to NYC just so they can keep those pushbutton people from pushing those buttons.
Them and their secret council of 13 (secret code for the 13 Federal Reserve Banks, don't you know) want to foment world disorder and economic chaos just to take over. Look at the colored money the US is now using. By virtue of the fact that it's colored, and we accepted it without protest, means that the Jews and the secret council of 13 OWN us. We're they're slaves...
I love Percodan dreams...
But wait, my Percodan, and other drugs legal and illegal, is just another tool used by the vast Illuminati conspiracy to "cattleize" the masses. That's why Colin Powell (NOT George Bush, trust me on this), Henry Ford (he perfected a potion of everlasting life, which he refuses to put on the market), and the Queen of England (she keeps major weight in that purse of hers) control the world's narcotics trade. Powell is really a Jew from the Lost Tribe of Ham, Ford is obviously an Illuminati, and the Queen is a Reptillian Alien.
Don't you see? DON'T YOU SEE?
TheBluesMan
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cool hand luke 22:36
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Oops. Looks like somebody at tne nuthouse got skipped when the nurses came around with the meds.
cool hand luke 22:36
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Wrong, but thanks for playing anyway. Everbody knows it's the Moose Lodge who are in a conspiracy to run the world. This secret information was revealed to me just this morning when I noticed that my waffle iron had burned the effigy of Bullwinkle Moose into my waffle.
cool hand luke 22:36
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No. He's a paranoid delusionist alrighty. Or at least that's what he want's us to think...
hmmm...
I call Moose Shyte on this conspirators essay...
It's a trap!
Mike Irwin
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"[1]He's not a paranoid delusionist; [2]just a man trying to support the laws of the US."
He's both, actually.
But, by coming across with this alarmist claptrap, he's showing himself to be 1, which strips him of the credibility he needs to carry out 2.
I see, however, in today's trading that Aloca Aluminum is off by nearly 2 percent.
Is this the beginning of the end game, where the conspirators destroy the aluminum companies, thus depriving right thinking Americans an effective means of blocking the UN mind control rays?
He's both, actually.
But, by coming across with this alarmist claptrap, he's showing himself to be 1, which strips him of the credibility he needs to carry out 2.
I see, however, in today's trading that Aloca Aluminum is off by nearly 2 percent.
Is this the beginning of the end game, where the conspirators destroy the aluminum companies, thus depriving right thinking Americans an effective means of blocking the UN mind control rays?
the problem with so-called 'conspiracy theory' is that it is to easy to either swallow it whole or spit it out entirely.
i believe that the general greivences cited in the article are valid, ie we are heading toward world government whether we like it or not. as soon as someone mentions 'new world order' people have a switch tripped that turns them off from anything else that is presented.
Europe has been consolidated. north america will be consolidated next, it may be in the next 5 years, it may take 50 years, but it will happen. children are educated to believe in world government, and it is only a matter of time before generations forget what a sovreign america means.
if i say it once i'll say it a thousand times: look at social security. most folks in the '30s were scared to death of a 'national tracking number'. it passed, and look what we have today, a national tracking number. through several generations people don't even seem to notice this anymore, and the original concerns have faded into history.
sometimes it is hard to seperate the wheat from the chaffe, sometimes there ain't much wheat, but there is truth in everything.
finally, if someone would have told you in january 2001 that arabs would attack and destroy the WTC, would you have considered them a crazy 'conspiracy theorist'? and what would you say to them in october 2001 when they said 'i told you so'?
i believe that the general greivences cited in the article are valid, ie we are heading toward world government whether we like it or not. as soon as someone mentions 'new world order' people have a switch tripped that turns them off from anything else that is presented.
Europe has been consolidated. north america will be consolidated next, it may be in the next 5 years, it may take 50 years, but it will happen. children are educated to believe in world government, and it is only a matter of time before generations forget what a sovreign america means.
if i say it once i'll say it a thousand times: look at social security. most folks in the '30s were scared to death of a 'national tracking number'. it passed, and look what we have today, a national tracking number. through several generations people don't even seem to notice this anymore, and the original concerns have faded into history.
sometimes it is hard to seperate the wheat from the chaffe, sometimes there ain't much wheat, but there is truth in everything.
finally, if someone would have told you in january 2001 that arabs would attack and destroy the WTC, would you have considered them a crazy 'conspiracy theorist'? and what would you say to them in october 2001 when they said 'i told you so'?
Mike Irwin
Staff
"Europe has been consolidated. north america will be consolidated next"
You know, it's funny...
People scream bloody murder about Europe being "consolidated" into a proto "United States of Europe" as if it's some vast CommuNazi Mormon Illuminati Jewish Scientoligist cabal for mind control, brain suctioning, and baby eating.
Does anyone not recognize that for the last 200 years the United States of America has been functioning in the manner that Europe is moving towards?
And who says that North America will "consolidate" next?
Why not South America?
Why not Asia?
And, even IF North America consolidates (I guess I've missed the news about the Mexican and Canadian plebicites regarding the United States of North America), what makes everyone immediately think it means the immediate, and absolute, destruction of the American form of government in favor of rampantly socialist form of government?
You know, I love you people to bits, but goddamnit some of you have too much on your paranoid minds!
Yes, it pays to be watchful. Yes, it is prudent to be vigilent.
But for the love of god, screaming, hysterical, paranoid fixations are NOT healthy.
You know, it's funny...
People scream bloody murder about Europe being "consolidated" into a proto "United States of Europe" as if it's some vast CommuNazi Mormon Illuminati Jewish Scientoligist cabal for mind control, brain suctioning, and baby eating.
Does anyone not recognize that for the last 200 years the United States of America has been functioning in the manner that Europe is moving towards?
And who says that North America will "consolidate" next?
Why not South America?
Why not Asia?
And, even IF North America consolidates (I guess I've missed the news about the Mexican and Canadian plebicites regarding the United States of North America), what makes everyone immediately think it means the immediate, and absolute, destruction of the American form of government in favor of rampantly socialist form of government?
You know, I love you people to bits, but goddamnit some of you have too much on your paranoid minds!
Yes, it pays to be watchful. Yes, it is prudent to be vigilent.
But for the love of god, screaming, hysterical, paranoid fixations are NOT healthy.
Mike Irwin,
it is unfortunate if you interpreted my post as "screaming, hysterical, paranoid fixations".
i am simply trying to point out that human civilization has been moving from local to global since it's inception; global government is part of the 'evolution' of human civilization. what is government for, but to regulate trade? global economy requires global government.
whether or not global government is a bad thing is beyond me. some think it is, some think it isn't. frankly, i believe that ANY and ALL government is bad. just a tool for humans to control other humans.
i agree that "screaming, hysterical, paranoid fixations are NOT healthy." but this does not mean we should dismiss them as non-factual. like i said, truth in everything.
Even the States of the United States of America have become more consolidated under the ever growing Federal Government, kinda what the Constitution tried to prevent. I was young but i remember when Wyoming raised their drinking age to 21 in order to continue recieving federal highway funding. bribed to relinquish sovreignity.
it is unfortunate if you interpreted my post as "screaming, hysterical, paranoid fixations".
i am simply trying to point out that human civilization has been moving from local to global since it's inception; global government is part of the 'evolution' of human civilization. what is government for, but to regulate trade? global economy requires global government.
whether or not global government is a bad thing is beyond me. some think it is, some think it isn't. frankly, i believe that ANY and ALL government is bad. just a tool for humans to control other humans.
i agree that "screaming, hysterical, paranoid fixations are NOT healthy." but this does not mean we should dismiss them as non-factual. like i said, truth in everything.
http://www.ftaa-alca.org/alca_e.asp
i am sure they will eventually consolidate as well, especially when it becomes economically beneficial.
Even the States of the United States of America have become more consolidated under the ever growing Federal Government, kinda what the Constitution tried to prevent. I was young but i remember when Wyoming raised their drinking age to 21 in order to continue recieving federal highway funding. bribed to relinquish sovreignity.
Globalization is dangerous. Sure, technology makes it possible for a central government to effectively control a large amount of territory, but the geographical separation allows the central government to lose touch with the more remote parts of its realm. Governments seem to think that the ability to receive selected information about remote areas (the U.S. government and the US-Mexico border, for instance) means that they are capable of constructing rational policy. That is not the case. There is no substitute for being on the ground.
No amount of technology can replace being there. Spending enough time in each place of interest is not feasible. Congress, the President, VP, and cabinet could camp along the Mexico border for a week, but that would only give them an idea of the border situation. The border is a critical issue, but only one of myriad they have to deal with, and only one of the issues people along the border have to deal with. Education, taxes, welfare, healthcare, the environment... a week-long trip to the border might give some insight into those issues (in that particular border area), but not enough.
The federal government needs to return to its strictly limited powers because it is not capable of making rational decisions with all the power it has now. The individual members of government don't have the time to travel all around the country. They only do that during campaign season, and most have no real interest in learning anything about local issues.
No amount of technology can replace being there. Spending enough time in each place of interest is not feasible. Congress, the President, VP, and cabinet could camp along the Mexico border for a week, but that would only give them an idea of the border situation. The border is a critical issue, but only one of myriad they have to deal with, and only one of the issues people along the border have to deal with. Education, taxes, welfare, healthcare, the environment... a week-long trip to the border might give some insight into those issues (in that particular border area), but not enough.
The federal government needs to return to its strictly limited powers because it is not capable of making rational decisions with all the power it has now. The individual members of government don't have the time to travel all around the country. They only do that during campaign season, and most have no real interest in learning anything about local issues.
Mike Irwin
Staff
That was a general comment, Redhawk, not directed specifically at you.
"i am simply trying to point out that human civilization has been moving from local to global since it's inception; global government is part of the 'evolution' of human civilization. what is government for, but to regulate trade? global economy requires global government."
I agree with that to a degree, but adamantly disagree that "global economy requires global government." Global economy requires global COOPERATION, but not necessarily a unified global government.
I also submit to you that this phenomonon (sp?) is not being caused by trade, but is, in fact, being caused by the every increasing ease with which people can communicate, and travel, globally. In 2 minutes, you or I can send an e-mail to the other side of the world. In 12 hours, on a jet, we can be there ourselves. Nothing breaks down differences, or borders, more effectively than communication.
I really have to wonder why, though, people believe that the American way of democratic traditions are doomed in the face of this movement?
It wasn't that long ago that people were confidently predicting the victory of worldwide, Soviet-style Communism. That was happening even as late as the early 1980s. Now where are we? Most of the former Warsaw Pact nations, cast off on their own in the collapse of the Soviet Union, now take their political cues from... American democratic traditions.
A generation before that, people were predicting the ascendence of worldwide Fascism. We're still waiting for that one, too.
What is it about the American system of government that makes people want to predict its demise regularly, and with great confidence, and fear?
So....
Free trade immediately means the absolute, irrevocable, loss of American democratic traditions and the creation of a vast UN-run slave colony?
See my point above about Communism and Fascism.
"but this does not mean we should dismiss them as non-factual. like i said, truth in everything."
Ah, the hallmark of the great conspiracy theory. Take 4 or 5 truths, extrapolate like crazy, and we're off to the races.
"i am simply trying to point out that human civilization has been moving from local to global since it's inception; global government is part of the 'evolution' of human civilization. what is government for, but to regulate trade? global economy requires global government."
I agree with that to a degree, but adamantly disagree that "global economy requires global government." Global economy requires global COOPERATION, but not necessarily a unified global government.
I also submit to you that this phenomonon (sp?) is not being caused by trade, but is, in fact, being caused by the every increasing ease with which people can communicate, and travel, globally. In 2 minutes, you or I can send an e-mail to the other side of the world. In 12 hours, on a jet, we can be there ourselves. Nothing breaks down differences, or borders, more effectively than communication.
I really have to wonder why, though, people believe that the American way of democratic traditions are doomed in the face of this movement?
It wasn't that long ago that people were confidently predicting the victory of worldwide, Soviet-style Communism. That was happening even as late as the early 1980s. Now where are we? Most of the former Warsaw Pact nations, cast off on their own in the collapse of the Soviet Union, now take their political cues from... American democratic traditions.
A generation before that, people were predicting the ascendence of worldwide Fascism. We're still waiting for that one, too.
What is it about the American system of government that makes people want to predict its demise regularly, and with great confidence, and fear?
So....
Free trade immediately means the absolute, irrevocable, loss of American democratic traditions and the creation of a vast UN-run slave colony?
See my point above about Communism and Fascism.
"but this does not mean we should dismiss them as non-factual. like i said, truth in everything."
Ah, the hallmark of the great conspiracy theory. Take 4 or 5 truths, extrapolate like crazy, and we're off to the races.