Considering moving to NJ...

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johnndor

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I have been offered a job in New Jersey, and just realized I'd better understand the firearms implications before making a final decision.

I have a Beretta 92FS and a Glock, both have mag capacities of I think 15 rounds.

Also a Rock River Arms AR-15.

If I read right, the pistols should be OK, but the AR is a no-go, since it has a telescoping stock and a pistol grip? (Also 15+ round magazines...)

Is this right? If so, that's too bad... it was a pretty good job offer...
 
If The job is that good why don't you just move as close to N J as You can get & drive there? How long would you have to drive one way? 1-2hr's? If its a really good job I would go for it. I would never give up my 2nd amendment or my right to carry. Think about it? And good luck.:)
 
Aguila Blanca said:
Depending on where in NJ the job is located, "near" could mean New York or Maryland. :eek:
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Or could be DE or PA...

The AR, get rid of magazines. Same if you have any magazines over 15 rounds for the Glock or Beretta. Have a muzzle brake pinned on the AR, pin the stock, and if there is a bayonet lug, have it removed... AR is now NJ compliant.

Personally, I wouldn't take the job. While the magazine limit is 15, it is very likely that the next governor will be Democrat. 10 round ban, or worse, would be almost certain.
 
NJ ? That's the state where you are Taxed when you leave it ! :rolleyes:
Not too bad if you are retired but if working it's a fairly large bite !
Not a good place to move to .
 
Better check your ammo, too! I understand NJ has some very strict rules about hollow points.

I suggest you contact a gun club in the area you are considering living in (yes, there still are some, the NRA can probably help you find one), and get the straight info from the people who live there.

Restrictions on your firearms rights (and other rights, possibly) ARE part of the cost of living. There are costs beyond just gas, groceries, rent and taxes.

Its up to you to determine, for yourself if the benefits (wages & etc.) outweigh the costs.

Good Luck!
 
44 AMP said:
Better check your ammo, too! I understand NJ has some very strict rules about hollow points.
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NJ laws for hollow points are similar to pistol laws, and long guns for people without FID cards. In short, between your house(s), dealer, range, or business YOU own (reasonable deviations are allowed, but not defined; ER, gas, food, all up in the air if you get caught). Legal to purchase, own, and keep. You can get jammed up if you commit a crime with hollow points in your possession (add on, fourth degree crime... if I remember correctly).

Pistols, again, cannot just leave in your car and do errands on the way back from the range. Point A, to Point B, back to Point A if applicable. Point C is a very gray area. Carry license... you need justifiably need to get one, decided by a judge. There was a guy in NJ that had a similar name to one of these Wall Street bankers that screwed people out of their life savings... and was kidnapped by one victim. Took a while for him to persuade him that he had the wrong guy, and eventually got away. Went for a carry permit... did not have justifiable need for one.

If you get an NJ FID card, you can leave a long gun in your vehicle and do whatever the hell you want. Go to the range... stop see a movie, go grocery shopping. Ammo, as long as isn't hollow points, again... good to go.

These are some of the fun parts of NJ firearms law. Another is that a SBR is actually considered a SBS... clearly written in the statute. Let's say you have a Luger with a stock... which is fine elsewhere in the country, as it is exempt from SBR taxation... you have a SBS in NJ. [emoji41][emoji106]
 
Screwball said:
These are some of the fun parts of NJ firearms law. Another is that a SBR is actually considered a SBS... clearly written in the statute. Let's say you have a Luger with a stock... which is fine elsewhere in the country, as it is exempt from SBR taxation... you have a SBS in NJ.
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What's an SBS? SBR (Short Barreled Rifle) I know, but I've never encountered the acronym SBS. Short Barreled Shotgun? Short Barreled Submachine gun?
 
depending on where in New Jersey the job is, living in Pennsylvannia is doable and maybe even desirable......cheaper property taxes, gun laws etc.
 
I live in NJ and Yes, Pennsylvania is much more gun-friendly and respectful of the RKBA.
Best advice I can give-Discretion is the Better Part of Valor and Three May Keep A Secret If Two Of Them Are Dead. No pro-gun stickers on the car, drive carefully, gun cases out of sight, etc. I have been stopped only twice in the last 5-6 years, in neither case did the LEO ask about firearms.
 
Deepest sympathys are in order. Not at all gun friendly. Live in PA, fine; NY or NJ avoid like he plague.
 
You don't say where this job is, in NJ. Would it be possible to live in
the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania?

I lived in NJ for 50 years. It's a craphole. The police treat you like you
are the waste of time that's getting in the way of their coffee break.
Pollution is awful, the place literally stinks of methane emissions and
landfill effluents. Property taxes are insanely high. The place has a
population density which approaches Japan, and an awful crime rate.

Yes, there are jobs there, but maybe it would be practical to live out of state?
 
Since you are in SC, I suspect you will fill like a prisoner on parole in NJ. You need to consider the true cost of living compared to where you are and if the additional cost and lack of freedom is worth the move.
 
Thanks for the comments. If I do accept the job, looks like I'll have to leave the AR and mags at a family member's house for safe keeping. (This is a 2-5 year job). I can always visit a local gun store and see about a NJ-compliant AR, if such a thing actually exists.

I have lived in PA before, but this job is at least an hour away from PA, which is longer than I care to commute.

I can't have guns/ammo in my car anyway when I visit the jobsite, so it would just be to/from the gun range.
 
I am my wife have discussed such matters and both of us have concluded that to go to some states to work (NJ being one at the very top of the list) the pay would have to be enough to fund full retirement in 2 years or less.

Not likely................ So we will not go!

No job we have heard of could make us surrender our freedoms to a communist country, which is how NJ is run. No exaggeration either.

In past years I have gone to nations where my freedoms and my life were in danger, but in those places I had some fighting chance. In NJ you'll have less chance of retaining your liberties then I did years ago, going to other nations.

But you have to make your own decisions.

I will not spit on the men who died to try to keep our freedoms by submitting to greater government controls then I saw in 3rd world countries, and communist countries.
 
johnndor said:
...I'll have to leave the AR and mags at a family member's house for safe keeping....
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If you do, make sure the rifle is in a locked case to which only you have the key or combination. No one but you should have access to the rifle. Why is explained in this post.
 
One thing to consider in moving to NJ is the higher cost of living. If the cost of living eats up the raise in pay or nearly so I don't think it would be worth it. NJ income tax rate?
 
Screwball said:
You can get jammed up if you commit a crime with hollow points in your possession (add on, fourth degree crime... if I remember correctly).
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Just out of curiosity—do you know what level of crime triggers the add-on (no pun intended)?

Do traffic citations and minor non-domestic misdemeanors count?

I have no dog in this fight; it's just that I've heard lots of parroted misinformation about the NJ hollow-point law, but I don't know anything about this particular aspect of it.
 
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