Connecticut already considering an amnesty

We're not getting into the idea of armed confrontation over this. Several posts have been deleted, and we won't be visiting that line of speculation again.
 
LarryH I think your narrative is precisely how this would play out. While some local LEOs may overlook it they will make someone a test case.
 
Tom- I'm not saying that an armed confrontation is a good idea and apologize if my post sounded like it. maybe its because I was watching braveheart at the time I wrote it:) I just wanted to point out that we've had the same strategy for years and yet were closer than ever to getting our rights taken from us. some states more than others (i.e Conn). something were doing (or not doing) needs to change, because while were winning SOME battles were losing the war (for lack of a better analogy). Before we know it were going to look up and see that right gone and wonder "what the heck happened"?

"When the government fears the people there is liberty and when the people fear the government there is tyranny" which category do we fall into now days?
Lets ask those living in conn, NY, D.C.? Last year the whole country was dangerously close to losing our right to choose how to defend our families and the only way we defeated that was because gun owners of all kinds were UNITED. we said HECK NO your not taking our rights away! And they knew we meant it. Now there going to do it slowly state by state with registration schemes and magazine bans and smart guns and our best strategy is to just vote them out or the ol' "it fell off a boat" routine. Im just sayin we have to do something different or else were gonna lose and our children are going to pay for it.
 
Before we know it were going to look up and see that right gone and wonder "what the heck happened"?
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This isn't happening because somebody took over the government. This is happening because the people implicitly endorsed it through their choices (or lack thereof) at the voting booth. Most of the folks asking how this happened would do well to educate themselves and actually get involved on the civic level.

I dealt with this in 1994. I had more than a few conversations like this:

Joe Bob: What in the heck do you mean I can't get 13-round clips for my Glock?

Me: There's a ban on distribution of new ones to civilians.

Joe Bob: Wha...when did that happen?

Me: About three months ago. Lots of stories in the news about it. If you belong to the NRA, you might have gotten a phone call...

Joe Bob: Yeah, they interrupted [insert name of vapid television series, probably Friends] I hung up on 'em.

Me: Yeah, I got that a lot.

Joe Bob: Well, then why didn't YOU do something to stop it?

Me: I was the guy you hung up on.

Joe Bob: Well, YOU shoulda done ☠☠☠☠☠☠ MORE! This is why I don't give money to [insert 2A organization he never donated to anyway]. Also, ☠☠☠☠☠ to [insert politician Joe Bob saw on CNN last night, probably Ken Starr]. ☠☠☠☠☠! I'm gonna go bury my rifles in a place I'll never find 'em!

And so it goes. There was no secret conspiracy then or now. They wanted it more than we did, and they did the work. That's how politics works.
 
Tom With all due respect most of the people asking how this happened are people who are involved. I myself am one. I vote, I am an NRA member, I give to my local 2A organization, I email my politicians, I go to rallies. Not everyone who is fed up is a "joe bob" who doesn't take time to or resources to defend their rights. This is exactly why we're wondering what the heck happend because we are involved. You are right about the fact that there is no secret conspiracy. There doesn't need to be. it's all done for the most part out in the open.
 
I wasn't trying to suggest that armed insurrection was the answer and apologize if my post came across that way, but armed resistance is inevitable even if it's just isolated cases -- like folks defending their homes in a no-knock raid. People (both ordinary citizens and cops) are going to get killed just because of some politicians' egos and power-trip.

They forgot one of the key tenets of leadership: Never issue an order (or law) that you know will be disobeyed.
 
For many gunowners complaining in internet boards is the extent of their involvement in gun rights. A goodly number get all their news from fringe organizations that have been telling us for years how a president will take our guns by executive order or something. While they were wrapped around the axle with far out conspiracy stuff several states passed serious gun control laws.
 
I myself am one. I vote, I am an NRA member, I give to my local 2A organization, I email my politicians, I go to rallies.
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While you're doing the work, how many others are? The CCDL has around 6,000 members if I recall correctly. That's a really small minority of actual gun owners in Connecticut.

This law wasn't an event so much as it was the culmination of a process. Many of the legislators who voted for it have been elected and re-elected over the course of years or decades. Had gun owners been pushing them on the issue over that same timeframe, those legislators might have though twice before blindly supporting the measure. In cases like this, 11th hour outrage just isn't enough.
 
I've been away for a few days and I find it very interesting that this conversation is still going rather strong. Some very thoughtful posts here. The big question to ask is what brought us to this point. The answer lies in the fact that we have been poor custodians of our God-given freedoms. Couple that with an outspoken, fact-bending, minority bent on denying us those rights; bouyed by a media oriented more on distributing propaganda rather than the truth, and here we are. Make no mistake about it, what is happening in CT is being watched very carefully by many in high places. I can assure you there are big movers and shakers behind the scene, and the response to the situation there will be carefully chosen. Do not forget that the UN Small Arms Treaty lies waiting for the day when 67 Senators will vote for it.
I find the idea of armed confrontation repugnant, but unfortunately, we may be very near that point; that is, if freedom as we have known it, is to survive. We are at a turning point, balanced on a precarious precipice. We will either become submerged in an Orwellian society, or return to the ideals of the Founding Fathers. I sincerely pray that violence has no part in it, but being the pragmatic optomist that I am, I have my doubts. As Jefferson said, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. I doubt he spoke those words casually, and he was intimately knowledgeable with the circumstances surrounding them. CT is a bellweather state, as the anti-gun crowd has run headlong into it's first actual civil protest on a large scale. How this plays out is anybody's guess, but the repercussions may hang around for many years to come.
 
I'll tread lightly as this conversation seems like it could quickly turn for the worse, but I tend to agree with James Pond in part. The courts and elections (i.e. actually getting off their butts and voting!) are a far more effective means of fighting laws like this. I'm not saying people should be a one issue voter, but 2A issues should be considered.

Any sort of violence as described would VERY quickly extinguish the already dwindling light of the second.
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I have a theory that many of those owners don't even vote. Of course it's just a theory but statistically only half the people actually vote so why would Connecticut be any different. I think actually voting would be preferable to going to jail.
 
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As long as the gun owners stand their ground and stick together they won't be able to do anything.
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When you put it like that, it sounds hopeless.
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As long as the gun owners stand their ground and stick together they won't be able to do anything.
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I think we may have some confusion as to who "they" are. Seems to me that what BP is saying is that "as long as gun owners stand their ground, they (the gov't) won't be able to do anything," not "they (gun owners) won't be able to do anything."
 
All the owners that didn't register their weapons.. As long as the number that doesn't register stays large they will be fine. But if a few here and there start giving in, then the gun owners don't have as good of a chance.
 
All the owners that didn't register their weapons.. As long as the number that doesn't register stays large they will be fine. But if a few here and there start giving in, then the gun owners don't have as good of a chance.
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Sounds good. Looks good on a computer screen. Now, if it was only that easy. I guess when a few hundred average guys like you and me get pulled over for speeding, running a yellow or stop sign or any number of harmless fouls and we end up facing multiple felonies, lose our houses and jobs defending ourselves and can never own a firearm again, well, it sounded great on the net, right? (see post 35).

The only way to turn the tide is by votes and the courts. Anyone who suggests civil war or any type of fighting with weapons really has no handle on life. This isn't 1776 and we aren't fighting rulers across the ocean. The "enemy" is our elected officials and the way to get them out is to vote them out. Yes, these next elections need to be single issue.

If the guy who is gun friendly happens to have an opposing view on gay rights then you need to stick to the gun issue this time and worry about the other issues further down the road. If we don't take back the house and senate and Obama gets his cronies into the Supreme Court, we may have waited too long. The time is now. We are done "compromising". It's time to let them know we are a much larger group than they think. The vocal minority has been the wheel that got the grease. We need to get squeaky and make them hear us by our votes. Bloodshed is such stupid talk that it make us look like the cretins they say we are.
 
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