Conicals for 44 and 36

swathdiver-

Id like to try those Kaidos, again, as money allows, as well... I was just thinking that IF soft lead HP would expand the way it does at higher pressures in more modern handguns, wow, what a devistating round that would be!

Any idea how much those Kaido rounds are? What are the lightest ones?
 
My understanding is that (newer ones?) Uberti's are 1:16 like the Ruger. I'm not certain about that though.

The wider flat nose is one of the reasons I chose it. If it doesn't expand it still creates a large hole. Expansion would just be a bonus, and something I'd prefer as it'll keep the bullet from damaging my neighbor's house.

I made a video showing what needs to be done to load Kaido's 240 grn FN bullet in a Pietta. You don't need to modify your loading window, but it does make it easier. His bullet has a little more taper to it though.

Last I saw Kaido was charging $50/100 + shipping. I bought some when they were $40/100, and that's what prompted me to look into a custom mold.
 
Yes, in 2002 the Dragoon went to a 1:18 twist. The Remington followed with its forged frame in 2007.

You fellas ever ring steel with a round ball and recover it? They are the size of bottle caps. Over at Cast Boolits tonight another fella recounted the same thing when he recovered a soft .45 LC round from some big game animal.

Shooting soft lead does away with the need for all that fancy stuff they had to develop just so them newfangled jacketed bullets could keep up.
 
Not sure why I just remembered this, but I recall reading a long time ago that sometimes folks in the old days, before modern HPs, would cut a cross in the top of those old soft lead rounds... Usually weaker ones like the .32S&W etc.. I suppose this would make a sort of primitive frangible round?
 
Speaking of frangible rounds…

I had considered trying a dry felt wad over the powder and dropping shot into the chamber and then filling it with beeswax. This way it will possibly hold together through the barrel and either work as a frangible round or maybe keep the majority of the group much tighter.

Just silly things I sometimes think of… I can't leave well enough alone at times I suppose.
 
I had considered trying a dry felt wad over the powder and dropping shot into the chamber and then filling it with beeswax. This way it will possibly hold together through the barrel and either work as a frangible round or maybe keep the majority of the group much tighter.
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When I was thinking of using a thick, wax soaked, cardboard card between the wad and powder to protect from lube contaminating the powder over time, someone brought up that the thick card might keep the lube pill from melting, therefore negating its purpose. A super thick one however might just protect the waxed shot when ya DO want it protected...

Hehe.. see.. I think about these things too! :D
 
It would be kinda like the wax slugs that folks are making for shotguns. I wonder if the rifling would spin it enough to make it break up outside the muzzle? Be a good way to load snake loads for a C&B.
 
I've seen some posted videos of loading C&B pistols for snakes with shot, and it seems to work fairly well for short range (<5 yds).

Brushhippie had a Remington bored smooth. Kinda interesting, though I think I'd rather do it to a Colt so that a swap of the barrel and I have a real pistol again.
 
Gelatin test of a .44 cal ball using 30 grns of T7 through an 1860 Army:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpIVLUQ9rk8

I'm actually very surprised at how low the velocity was. Mike Beliveau got 1062 fps with a .457" ball and 33 grns of T7 in an Old Army.

Maybe it's due to the very low velocity, but the wound track from the ball is quite minimal, and doesn't look any bigger that what the FMJ 9mm bullet did when it flew straight.

I still think a WFN bullet would be superior even without expansion. I certainly wish I could afford to make enough Knox gel for testing. At ~$80 a pop it's a bit much for me.
 
I'm wondering if his choice in ball size was off, and that he should have chosen a larger ball. I've seen test results where just upping the ball diameter greatly impacted the pressure/velocity.
 
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