I'm well aware of how single action guns work. The first handgun I ever bought was a 1911, and I carried it in Condition One. My point is that there's no need to ever pull the trigger with a loaded chamber: Condition One is plenty safe with a 1911 and faster to get into action.Bill DeShivs said:Yep. That's how single action guns work.
The only concept that's foreign to me is why anyone would carry a 1911 in Condition Two.Bill DeShivs said:I find it interesting that this is such a foreign concept
I agree that Condition Two can be safe with proper training and practice. But Condition One is safer simply due to the fact that there is never a need to pull the trigger with a loaded chamber. And Condition Two can be nearly as fast as Condition One. But Condition One is faster for almost everyone.Bill DeShivs said:I didn't say condition 1 is not safe. I said condition 2 is safe, with proper training. It can be nearly as fast as condition 1, again-with proper training.
Well, that goes without saying. But too many people seem convinced that they want to go to Condition Two, and that requires pulling the trigger with a loaded chamber.Bill DeShivs said:There is no need to pull the trigger with a loaded chamber unless you want to.
It's not necessarily wrong, it's just worse in every way than Condition One: It's slower and less safe. In my experience, most people who prefer carrying a 1911 in Condition Two are under the false impression that Condition One is somehow unsafe. And they also don't seem to understand that the act of going to Condition Two requires pulling the trigger on a loaded chamber - something that will get many inexperienced people in trouble.Bill DeShivs said:Some people choose to do things differently than you do. Because a concept is foreign to you does not make it wrong-just different.
The decocker idea has also crossed my mind more than once. In that case the pistol would be DA/SA, right? And am I correct that only external hammer fired pistols have decockers? The striker fired pistols may have an external safety, but it doesn't decock them? And thanks to all who replied - your experience and suggestions are much appreciated.
And am I correct that only external hammer fired pistols have decockers?
The striker fired pistols may have an external safety, but it doesn't decock them?
The only concept that's foreign to me is why anyone would carry a 1911 in Condition Two.
No, it was operator error. Even with a faulty safety, you still have to pull the trigger - and with a 1911 also depress the grip safety - in order to fire the gun. If your friend had a negligent discharge because his safety was faulty that means he wasn't handling the gun safely in the first place. You should never rely on a safety to make a gun safe, you should rely on your own safe gun handling skills to make a gun safe.histed said:Or they prefer to NOT get shot by their own pistol that happens to have a faulty safety. Yeah, it happened to a friend - 1911 style - yes, he was trained to carry condition 1 - yes it was a faulty safety, not operator error. That answer your question? Still wonder why I'm cautious?