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I posted a thread on the general forum and probably went into to much detail. My question -- is it legal for me to walk up and down my property with a shotgun? " I live in a town"

Does anyone have a line on video jamming equipment that they might turn my on to.

I just came upon this forum and thought some one might be able to explain the law to me.

did not want to get every one up in arms. Sorry.
 
I too am a dad, but I think the shotgun idea is a bad one.

I would send the kids out to play and video the guy watching them. Provide that to the cops, and if they still fail to act, the local media.

I think that bringing a firearm into this picture would be construed as threatening, and you have to ask yourself:

1. What if he calls your bluff...gets his camera and films you, turns it over to child services, claiming that your are nuts. (you will look nuts doing what you suggest)

2. What if he calls your bluff...gets his camera and films your kids ...Are you gonna shoot him? No? Leave the gun in the house Yes? Move away now before the kids see daddy going to prison for Premeditated murder.

3. How are you going to look to the police when he calls them, (nuts) ? There goes the validity of your claims.

I think that I would move anyhow. If the guy is a pervert, he's not going to stop, and escalation is inevitable. Whatever the outcome, it will not be pleasant.

Leave the gun inside and talk to a realestate agent.
 
You're referring to this thread: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174509

There were plenty of good suggestions for you in that thread that didn't involve firearms or violence. You seem to be inclined to escalate the situation. I can appreciate the anger you must feel over having a neighbor like this, but your best bet is to make him *want* to stop doing what he's doing. This can be done with a little bit of thought and no violence or escalation of the situation. Use your imagination, obey the law and leave the guns locked in the safe.

Good luck,

-Dave
 
no firearms......only makes you look bad

how about some window blinds? those make for boring video.

We had a fellow called the sign man in our town...he had a sign that was visible from the highway whenever somebody did something that wasnt right

do you have a privacy fence? if not you can get some plastic stuff to make nice signs for the fellow....and a temporay fence nothing libelous and some lumber to make stakes.

just merely ask the question: Why is XXXXXX videotaping my 9&10 year old daughters?. put them on your side of the property line and one in the front yard would be a nice touch.

take some pics of him videotaping the kids and buy an ad in the local paper. jaut ask why is Mr. X videotaping my kids?

folks with bad intentions usually do not like exposure...
 
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Before answering a question like this, one must know the background, so I found your other thread.
The law will vary from state to state, and from city to city. In this case, the law does not matter though.

You should not patrol your property with a shotgun unless you intend to use it if necessary. The offense that has been committed does not meet the requirements for lethal force. If you use the shotgun, you will likely not remain a free man and your girls will not have a dad in the home. They will then live next to your neighbor without a dad.

If you do not use the shotgun, your carrying it in this instance, is to threaten and intimidate. That is called brandishing. Brandishing a firearm is illegal. Expect to loose some time with your girls. You will at the least suffer financially.

So what can be done? Well, if you were in Louisiana, your neighbor would have already committed a felony. You could prosecute and jail him for the actions he has already committed. I assume you do not live in a civilized state like Louisiana (tounge firmly in cheek).

Try a board fence.
Try an attorney.
Try moving.
Try the local dirt digging investigative reporter.
Try prosecuting him for the assault and battery on yourself with a rake.

But don't try to intimidate him with a gun, because you will not win. It's time to start learning to use the law more than a gun, and I don't mean by gathering information on the internet, from a cop or the gun counter.
 
I'd have to say that we need to know where you're located to give better ideas. I can think of several, but am waiting to see where you're from to know if they'd be doable...
 
A cheap laser aimed into a video camera will "jam" it.

I would put up video cameras and return the favor. That would also make it impossible for him to get away with anything.
 
Absolutely do not patrol your property line with a shotgun. Nothing good can come of that. If you feel that he may pose a physical threat to the well being of your family, keep a weapon handy but don't openly display it.

The best way to jam video equipment is to stick something in the line of sight between the cameras and anything you don't him video taping. Put up a fence if you can, install blinds on the windows, plant shubbery in strategic locations.... shrubbery with thorns can also help hinder him from prowling around your yard. Half-silvered glass windows can also make it very difficult for somebody to see in during the day, while still allowing you to see out.
 
Regarding this guy filming your daughters dressing, I fail to see the problem here... Get blinds or curtains! Do they dress in front of an open window?
 
I don't know about other states, but here in Texas the voyeur has to be on the victims property before an offense occurs.

So, if the critter is standing on his property, and looking/videotaping through an open window into/onto your property, he isn't commiting an offense.

So. What to do about this.

First, buy curtains for every window in your house facing the house of the critter -- and use them.

Second, call the Media. Ask a reporter why a grown man feels the need to take extensive video of girl-children, who aren't his, under suspicious circumstances. Let them take over.

Third, call the Bar Association in your state. Ask them why one of their members feels the need to take extensive video footage of girl-children who aren't his under suspicious circumstances. Tell them you'd like to lodge a moral turpitude complaint.

Fourth, engage a lawyer of your own, preferably one with girl-children, and ask the lawyer what she'd suggest.

LawDog
 
Alternative:
Catch several stills of him videotaping your home.
File a civil suit for stalking. Ugly stuff. He's guaranteed to stop on first notice.
Rich
 
I never thought of the stalking thing. That seems like something to try.

And I do apologize for my "if he touches them then... " (I won't go on, it's on the other thread). I was out of line. Just get emotional when I hear about these things.

Wayne
 
I put a screen deck/porch on the back of my parents house a few years ago. The screen we used was some type of privacy screen (can't remember brand). You could see out, but not in, and the wind was still able to go through. I'll be back in Maryland on vacation(where they live and I'm from) and will try to see if I can get the brand for you, and estimated cost.

I'm only suggesting this in the event you decide to stay, and it's warm out, and you don't want thick blanket curtains stopping you from having your windows open with airflow.

As I said in your other thread - MOVE if you have to. There's nothing wrong with, or cowardice about moving to protect your girls especially if it's the last lawful thing to do once you exhausted other less perminant options.

Everything from involving local media, the bar association, privacy fences, curtains... all great ideas and should definitely be used IN LIEU of a shotgun on your property line.

One question (ok it started as one): Other than the rake incident, have you had other opportunities to speak with this P.O.S. and ask straight forward questions like: Why are you videotaping my children? And if so, have you ever gotten an answer? Or, was the type he raked you the first time you tried to speak with him?
 
This alleged concerned Dad may not be real. Please read his initial post again on the origianl thread that was closed.

Here's a clue - he misspelled nearly every single word in the original post, while using fairly decent context. He misspelled so many words that it boggles the mind. His original post "reeks" of disengenuity, plus there were statements in there that made no sense at all.

In this opening message he only misspelled a few words, as though he became a far better speller overnight?
 
This alleged concerned Dad may not be real. Please read his initial post again on the origianl thread that was closed.

Here's a clue - he misspelled nearly every single word in the original post, while using fairly decent context. He misspelled so many words that it boggles the mind. His original post "reeks" of disengenuity, plus there were statements in there that made no sense at all.

In this opening message he only misspelled a few words, as though he became a far better speller overnight?
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I'm afraid I don't see any significant difference between the posts. Sure the was more spelling and grammatical errors in the first one, but that's because the first one was longer.

Since when did spelling and grammar become a mark of the veracity of somebody's statements, anyways? I know my spelling and grammar sucks if I don't take my time posting, and it's pretty common for me to go back and edit my posts two or three times for spelling mistakes... does this mean I'm not real either?

I am beginning to wonder why you're so eager to jump up and down and point out how this guy must be a lying troll. You wouldn't happen to be his neighbor, would you?
 
Dad,

Having raised three children – two daughters – I sincerely sympathize with your situation. I agree that your original post generated several good ideas. I would respectfully endorse a few:

a) Keep the high ground – firearms ONLY as a last resort and unambiguously to protect your family from a real, immediate, and grave threat. I, too, would like to shoot the perverted SOB, but keep your cool and be smart, which is certain to payoff in the long run.
b) Engage the media – be the good citizen, trying to protect his family AND remain within the rules. The local press will probably love this story, as long as you are “politically correct”.
c) Get local political, civic, educational, professional, religious, and other group involved – this pervert is a threat to the COMMUNITY, not only to your children.
d) Hire an attorney and follow his advice – this is too important for armature mistakes, not matter how well intentioned.

Good look and I will say a prayer for you and yours.
 
ATW, it was much worse. Someone took pity on him and fixed his spelling errors. There were perhaps 2 dozen or so.
 
I am beginning to wonder why you're so eager to jump up and down and point out how this guy must be a lying troll. You wouldn't happen to be his neighbor, would you?
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Swallow that hook then ATW! :)
 
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