Concept behind M-1 Carbine

Just for the sake of a more diverse discussion,I was thinking more along the lines of handguns take a little more competence and confidence,and if folks are looking at smaller handguns than a .38,a 9,or a .40,maybe the tin can fun plinker familiar long gun is more likely to get the job done.An Ithaca 37 20 ga,or a savage 311 20 ga double sawed off with 6 rounds on the butt,or a lever action .357 carbine,the marlin or Ruger 9mm or .45 carbines,are what I am asking about ,if the early warning alarm goes off,you have a locked,loaded piece while you call in.An AR-15 carbine is in the same league.
An M1 carbine is on the list,but so are other choices.
I used to load a nickel plated steel jacket Norma 93 gr .308 Luger/mauser softpoint handgun bullet in an M-1 carbine.Turned Jacks into chunks.
 
Not meaning to demean anyone's opinion of the M1 carbine, . . . but in 1966, we were sent to Long Xuyen, RVN to set up a base for the first group of PBR's up in that part of the river.

We were variously armed, . . . mostly Garands like mine, . . . but a few M1 carbines. At the RVN range one day, . . . I traded arms with one of the guys just to see how the carbine shot.

So help me, . . . if there had been a steel post there and the carbine had been my personal property, . . . I would have wrapped that little mule kicking piece of junk so tight around that steel pole, . . . you couldn't have seen daylight between the two.

My Garand, . . . my M3, . . . and later even my M14 didn't kick as hard as that carbine did.

No thanks, . . . didn't like it then, . . . don't need to re-try, . . . would never get one for my wife, . . . I like eating on time and my laundry done :D

May God bless,
Dwight
 
A sleeping woman who has a 200 lb fellow jump on top of her is in trouble regardless of what gun is nearby.
I suggest,with this wake up call,a 20 gauge shotgun,or a reliable M-1 carbine,a trapper .357 lever gun,an M-4 5.56 or even a Ruger 10-22 might be better protection than many of the handguns that might be chosen as a small.low recoil piece for her.


If you are sleeping and a 200 lb fellow awakens you by being on top of you - is the gun directly relevant? You aren't easily reaching a long gun or a handgun till you remove the person. Or am I missing something about the starting point. If it is irrelevant - Pax has it nailed.
 
Glenn, I think you're right on track. If, when you begin the "scenario," the 200 lb. man is already on top of you, you've got REAL problems which must be dealt with before the gun is deployed. In my martial arts classes it has always been my position that, if you're laying down with someone on top of you, the LAST thing you want to do is start wrestling for a gun! At that range, and with both bodies grounded, it's time to start inflicting immediate nerve damage to "disconnect the attacker's CPU" as quickly as possible.

For my $0.02, my fiance sleeps with a Ka-Bar hanging from the bedpost, and a sharp katana leaning behind the headboard. She is well-trained and comfortable with either weapon. The Browning Hi-Power (she's got expensive tastes!) is in a cupboard across the room. If she wakes up with a guy on top of her (presumably, someone OTHER THAN me!), she knows a few tricks to reposition him to the foot of the bed. From there, a blade gets drawn, and parts start coming off. If she wants to, after she's done with the blades, she can shoot the bloody pile of twitching goo that used to be the attacker.
 
I entered the U S Army in 1961 and was trained with the M-1. I loved it. I became a radio operator, Morse Code and Teletype, and when I arrived in Germany to serve along the border they issued everyone in our Communications Section a Carbine. I used it for almost a year and then they picked up the Carbines and issued us all M-14s. I liked to carry the Carbine on guard duty because it weighed a lot less but if in combat I would want the M-14.
 
Maybe I don't write clearly.
I began with the idea that a first step is an early wake up device.Whether it is a motion detecting alarm,a really good dog or an iron gate across the hall to the bedroom,per Jeff Cooper.
The reason was ,if the bad guy is on top of someone as they are still sleeping,it may not matter what sort of weapon is available.The importance of some method of early wake up is the sole reason I included the 200 lb guy.
The next step,was to become armed.
I was inspired to write the thread after reading another person ask about a .32 H+R Mag for his wife.I also recalled my ex,who could enjoy plinking,but just wasn't into a centerfire defense handgun.
I do not pose myself as an expert,or telling anyone what they should do.I posed this thread to discuss the issue.I appreciate what PAX had to say.
 
My dad was issued a carbine in the US army while stationed in Alaska during the cold war. It was a back up gun to a nuclear missile that was pointed at Moscow.
 
One og my HD firearms is...

the Carbine. Its loaded with three mags of Win 110gr HP's, and the feed ramp was stoned to minimize stuttering of soft-nosed ammo.

Its NOT an hard kicking recoiling firearm, as another poster has indicated.

For me I used it at a SMGC winter shoot in 2006, where participant show up in period clothing, and fired a JCGarand match @ 100 yds.
My first five sighters,(from prone) were in a line touching each one, in the ten ring on a SR-1 target.

I have used it for my daughter to carry deer hunting as she is 5'5" and 102# driipng wet. I was back-up with .308.

I know two other hunters that used to take deer from tree stands, under 100yds, with no problems, BUT they waited for the shot.
 
The Box O' Truth site did an interesting test which dispelled the myth about heavy clothing somehow taking the edge off of carbine rounds.
 
As I recall, not sure, they had problems with the 30 caliber M1 Carbine. When the Chinese came into the Korean war the carbine would not penetrate the padded clothing worn by the chinese. Does any body know about this???
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Myth, the sights of the M1 carbine are adjustable out to 300 yards, but you are best to keep it inside 200. Solders were doing one of two things:

1. Undisciplined full auto fire with the M2, "I shot a whole clip into him and he kept on coming." When in reality he may not have hit the Chinese Solder at all, or perhaps nicked him in the arm.

2. Shooting at a target that is out of range. When your effective range on point targets is 200 yards and you are shooting at an enemy that is 400+ yards away, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that you probably aren't going to hit anything and will be just wasting ammo. People with Garands were firing at the Chinese so the people with Carbines started firing too, when they should have waited until the Chinese got closer instead of wasting their ammo shooting dirt.

Not a fault of the Solders mind you, it was a fault in their training.
 
I love the m1 carbine. Statistically if you look at the numbers the m1 carbine hits like...

A 357 mag would at point blank - after the 30Carb had traveled 100yds
A 22LR would at point blank - after the 30Carb had traveled 500yds

Personally to have the ability to reach out and touch someone at 100yds with a 357mag is awesome.
 
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