Concealed carry in National Parks?

BoneDigger

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I thought I had heard that National Parks now allowed concealed carry. I just read the webpage for Yellowstone NP and it says that no concealed handguns are permitted, even with a state issued permit. Did I hear incorrectly about the ban being lifted, or is the webpage just not updated?

Todd
 
No, Obama did not overturn the NP rule change - he doesn't have the authority to make such a change.

No idea what garryc is referring to.
 
National Parks

I read something about it in my local paper at newyears but didn't really believe it.I live about 30 minutes from The Great Smokey Mountains national park and the article said that anyone that has a valid weapons permit from Tennessee or a state with a reciprocating agreement with Tennessee can legally carry in the park as of January.I haven't heard of it being withdrawn.I think it is a good idea as long as it doesn't get abused.We have had about 5 instances with blackbears in the last couple of years and I know of one campsite that parkrangers closed due to the fact that bears were raiding it.Now I am not advocating people take their guns in and look for trouble or an excuse but it is a good idea to me from a protection standpoint.
 
They need to lift the Concealed carry ban from every place since the BG's will otherwise be the only ones to have them. Let's at least level the playing field. Schools and churches included. Think of the lives that could have been saved just in the recent campus killings alone.

Roach
 
They need to lift the Concealed carry ban from every place since the BG's will otherwise be the only ones to have them. Let's at least level the playing field. Schools and churches included. Think of the lives that could have been saved just in the recent campus killings alone.
No, that does not make sense. Some places still need to be "no weapons allowed." Such as court houses. Not allowing them keeps a lot of bad stuff from happening. When they are disallowed across the board they can screen everyone and prevent a lot of wackos from showing up at court with a gun in case they do not like their verdict. There are plenty of good guys there with guns. They are the ones in the uniforms.
 
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No, that does not make sense. Some places still need to be "no weapons allowed." Such as court houses. Not allowing them keeps a lot of bad stuff from happening. When they are disallowed across the board they can screen everyone and prevent a lot of wackos from showing up at court with a gun in case they do not like their verdict. There are plenty of good guys there with guns. They are the ones in the uniforms.
_ no argument there, but require them to provide lock boxes for safe storage while one is there. then weapon will not have to be left in vehicle and possibly stolen._______________
 
This is a new developement, allowing CCWs in parks, and the web site probably hasn't been updated yet in response, and probably won't for a while. It's got nothing to do with Obama.
 
There are some places that even some law enforcement officials are not allowed to be armed. But referring to National Parks, however, each park has its own special regulations, while there are also national regulations as well. Each place has its own situation and its own problems and, in theory, writes its own rules to cope. Some even have no gates and no admission fee (if you drive in).

There are some places that fall under the National Park Service that are neither fish nor fowl, so to speak. There are national scenic rivers, national trails and national monuments. I don't think the rivers have any sorts of rangers and I doubt few trails do either, although the Applachian Trail goes right by Camp David over in Maryland, just over the hill from Greenbrier State Park. But that's a special case.

One thing you might want to remember is that there are all sorts of overlapping laws and regulations and naturally, law enforcement agencies. It is easy to run afoul of something, so you have to be careful. This is true of all laws, of course. Laws can be written so they cannot be obeyed but that usually doesn't happen here anymore, but still! For instance, game laws could be construed to apply to anyone being armed in the backwoods, depending on whose land you were on. National forests have their own rules and as I mentioned in another thread, a totally different outlook on life. Then there are state parks and forests and even county parks, all with their own rules. Finally, there are private places that are probably a law unto themselves.

All the same, in the places in Shenandoah where I usually go (and go less frequently as I get older), I don't see many people at all. Granted, I do see some most, but not every time I go, even on cold and snowy days, but if you run into someone two or three miles from the parking lot, chances are they are dedicated hikers and campers. In 30 years of going there I have never run into anyone the least bit suspicious looking, by which I mean no more suspicious looking than I am. Also, in all that time, I have seen rangers on the trail a grand total of twice, women hiking alone about five times, groups that included children about the same number of times and someone hiking with a dog, about twice. Bears, with cubs, twice. Deer, about a hundred, give or take.
 
I expect the new administration is waiting for someone

to get shot in a park... will not have anything to do with the new carry rules but will allow them to have a reason to change the order for our own protection.

As for the comments about that their are places that should be kept no carry....

I'm glad you feel safe being protected by the government... if you use that kind of logic then it can lead all the way to and inside your front door.
 
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No, that does not make sense. Some places still need to be "no weapons allowed." Such as court houses. Not allowing them keeps a lot of bad stuff from happening. When they are disallowed across the board they can screen everyone and prevent a lot of wackos from showing up at court with a gun in case they do not like their verdict. There are plenty of good guys there with guns. They are the ones in the uniforms.

Playboypenguin: please clarify your last statement. Surely you are not stating that only those who wear uniforms are the good guys, are you?
And, how does a newby get that isolated "Quote" box thingy to appear? Thanks.
 
Carry in parks is a done deal.

[Federal Register: December 10, 2008 (Volume 73, Number 238)]
[Rules and Regulations]
[Page 74966-74972]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr10de08-8]

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DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

National Park Service

36 CFR Part 2

Fish and Wildlife Service

50 CFR Part 27

RIN 1024-AD70


General Regulations for Areas Administered by the National Park
Service and the Fish and Wildlife Service

AGENCIES: Fish and Wildlife Service and National Park Service,
Interior.

ACTION: Final rule.

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SUMMARY: This final rulemaking amends regulations codified in 36 CFR
part 2 and 50 CFR part 27, which pertain to the possession and
transportation of firearms in national park areas and national wildlife
refuges. The final rule updates these regulations to reflect state laws
authorizing the possession of concealed firearms, while leaving
unchanged the existing regulatory provisions that ensure visitor safety
and resource protection such as the prohibitions on poaching and
limitations on hunting and target practice.

DATES: This rule becomes effective on January 9, 2009.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Lyle Laverty, 202-208-4416
 
I would be concerned over the state of my toothbrush before I worried about a law regarding carry in Parks. Carry concealed and don't advertise. Period. If you end up having to protect your life, or your family, some little prohibition law you violated will be the least of your worries. And the bonus is you'll be alive.
 
No, that does not make sense. Some places still need to be "no weapons allowed." Such as court houses. Not allowing them keeps a lot of bad stuff from happening. When they are disallowed across the board they can screen everyone and prevent a lot of wackos from showing up at court with a gun in case they do not like their verdict. There are plenty of good guys there with guns. They are the ones in the uniforms.

PBP,
I'm going to disagree with you here. Having worked in the field I can tell you with no hesitation that the bad guys (or sometimes the over-distraught good guys) still smuggle weapons in to courtrooms and such places. We'd be far better off to re-design courtrooms and such with bulletproof "bullpens" and such.

The older I get the more disgusting I find the notion that I be REQUIRED to hand my safety over to people I don't know. If I should be asked and decide to do so is one thing but to be handed a MANDATE does not sit well with me.
 
If you want to know why there is such a fuss about carrying in National parks do a search on the internet as to who owns Yellowstone. You'll be very surprised to find out that it is not owned by us or the USA. Don't take my word for it, check it out yourself.
 
Playboypenguin: please clarify your last statement. Surely you are not stating that only those who wear uniforms are the good guys, are you?
Not at all. I am just saying that they are at least there and it is not a place where "only the bad guys" will have guns.
I'm going to disagree with you here. Having worked in the field I can tell you with no hesitation that the bad guys (or sometimes the over-distraught good guys) still smuggle weapons in to courtrooms and such places. We'd be far better off to re-design courtrooms and such with bulletproof "bullpens" and such.
When was the last time you saw anyone get a firearm into a courthouse???

Even if someone did manage it, you cannot make all judgements based on the imperfection of reality. You cannot exclude any rule that has a rare exception just because it is not absolute. For example, one random case of someone being held in a burning car by a defective seatbelt 20 years ago does not negate the thousands of people that are saved by them every year.
 
When was the last time you saw anyone get a firearm into a courthouse???

They don't have to, they just steal the ones that the "good guys" carry in (Atlanta, 2005). Of course, once the gun belonging to the one allowable good guy is stolen by the bag guy, only the bad guy has a gun.
 
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