Concealed Carry Illinois

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I lived in Ohio when they passed their concealed carry law. There were some odd requirements that were worked out over time. As Glenn stated, "Let the law work for a bit".
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godot said:
So how/where do I apply for a CCW?
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Unfortunately, you can't yet. ISP has 180 days to come up with everything in order to submit the permit application. First though, they need to figure out all the necessary classes and who can teach them. You're looking at 1st quarter 2014 before the first permit application will be able to be submitted.
 
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How can I have the right to remain silent AND a duty to inform the cops that I am carrying a weapon?
I know the police will blur the line between what is a off-the-cuff consentual conversation, and what is a detention. This will work against citizens carrying guns.
Someone explain 'duty to inform', please. Can a cop come up to me and demand to see my weapons permit if he sees me printing (or OC'ing) or do they need to detain me first?
 
"Unfortunately, you can't yet. ISP has 180 days to come up with everything in order to submit the permit application. First though, they need to figure out all the necessary classes and who can teach them. You're looking at 1st quarter 2014 before the first permit application will be able to be submitted."

Jen, that was NOT the answer I was looking for. I was hoping for something like "Anyplace that sells State lottery tickets". LOL Thank you for the clarity.:)
 
Is IL going to have any reciprocity?
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Excellent question! I don't think that was addressed in the legislation, so for the time being no reciprocity - think along the lines of MD, NY, NJ.
 
The no reciprocity thing is a pain, but I plan to counter that with also having a FL non-resident permit. My only question on that, and I'm sure it won't be answerable for a while is if the Illinois class requirement would count towards the FL permit...
 
godot said:
"Unfortunately, you can't yet. ISP has 180 days to come up with everything in order to submit the permit application. First though, they need to figure out all the necessary classes and who can teach them. You're looking at 1st quarter 2014 before the first permit application will be able to be submitted."

Jen, that was NOT the answer I was looking for. I was hoping for something like "Anyplace that sells State lottery tickets". LOL Thank you for the clarity.:)
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LOL. Beer, lottery tickets and a CCW permit please. :)
 
This will be an excellent opportunity, that should not be missed, to use the law as a laboratory for CCW. It will be interesting to see the result after the law has been in effect for a year or two to see the reduction -- which we all know from experience is coming -- in firearms crime stats.

Just this past holiday there were dozens injured and numerous persons killed in Chicago by thugs with firearms. It will be interesting to see the results after the innocent residents are also permitted to carry a firearm for defense instead of nefarious criminal intent. Let the battles begin; and let them be a teaching moment for the criminal class and the firearms restriction advocates.

Does anyone know if there is any movement afoot to do a study along these lines -- Cato Institute, Independence Institute, et al?
 
jimpeel, it is not that simple. Here is an article about the Holiday weekend toll:

http://www.suntimes.com/21197483-761/gangs-weather-access-to-guns-reluctant-witnesses-drive-holiday-weekend-bloodshed.html

A fair-use quote from the article:
The carnage was tightly concentrated. Forty percent of the incidents occurred in and around two West Side neighborhoods — Austin and Garfield Park — roughly an 8.5-square-mile patch of a 228-square-mile city.
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The vast majority of people in the affected neighborhoods are decent, civilized, hard-working people - but they are also not as likely as more well-to-do people in "nicer" neighborhoods to have the resources - time, money, inclination, and cultural background - to obtain a concealed carry license, weapon, training, and so forth.

The impact of the new law, in the neighborhoods most affected by this kind of violence, remains to be seen.

I'm afraid I've stated this in a clumsy manner that could be construed as insulting. That is not my intent. The city is quite inhomogeneous and the effect of legal concealed carry on crime in specific areas is not predictable.

Regards,
Andrew
 
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Just this past holiday there were dozens injured and numerous persons killed in Chicago by thugs with firearms. It will be interesting to see the results after the innocent residents are also permitted to carry a firearm for defense instead of nefarious criminal intent.
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Unfortunately, if you read the actual circumstances under which most of those shootings happened, CCW would be largely irrelevant and I find it doubtful that it will make a statistical impact on the issues that Chicago suffers or that any correlation will be able to be made. Aside from the general, well at least more legal guns doesn't correlate with more gun crime. These aren't stick ups gone wrong in most cases, where the shooting was ancillary to the primary crime, like robbery or some such. They're drive/walk/bike-by and/or stray bullets missing their intended(misidentified or not) targets, where shooting at someone was the primary crime.
 
I used the weekend carnage as an example, not as the focal point of a study. The study would be on the yearly number of homicides and shootings which have been on a steady rise.

SOURCE

NUMBER OF HOMICIDES IN CHICAGO IN 2011

441

NUMBER OF HOMICIDES IN CHICAGO IN 2012

535

NUMBER OF HOMICIDES IN CHICAGO AS OF
July 15, 2013

232

NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO IN 2011

2,217

NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS IN 2012

2,670

NUMBER OF PEOPLE SHOT IN CHICAGO AS OF July 9, 2013

1,214
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I merely believe that Chicago can be an excellent laboratory for studying the statistics pre and post CCW permit laws.
 
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