Communism/Socialism/Leftism=Masochism?

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It is incredible that people still cling to Marxist views even after the horrible examples of Russians waiting four hours in line for bread, wealthy upper classes having their property confiscated, rampant unemployment and immigrant chaos in France. Since there is overwhelming evidence of the failures of these ideologies, the only reason a modern person could still follow them would be because they are into some type of self punishment or collective misery.
 
People in general have a need to be controlled. Freedom (or self-responsibility, if you prefer) scares the hell out of most. It's not masochism, it's simply fear.
 
Perhaps we are delving into a deeper issue behind people's actions, i.e. levels of self esteem, percieved ability to cope with life, percieved self efficacy, etc.
 
The people who propound collectivism probably all envision themselves as the ones wearing the jackboots, fancying themselves so much more enlightened and intelligent than the benighted masses.
 
dude, there you go again trying to lump people who have a different view of the world than you into a group of mental patients. leftism in america is a far cry from marxism. comparing the two is like comparing convervativism with fanatical islam.

Quit trying to validate your arguments by pretending to bring genuine psychology into the mix. There is just as much evidence of the failure of capitalism, theocracy, democracy, oligarchy yada yada yada. You can use this argument of masochism against gun owners, SUV drivers, church goers and any other group you want because there's nothing to back up any of these arguments besides your desire to win an argument by calling your opponent crazy.


Sorry, bro. Pop-psychology doesn't fly in the real world of science.
 
Quit trying to validate your arguments by pretending to bring genuine psychology into the mix.
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Why not? its too much fun! Ever notice that gun onwers tend to dress a little...well...macho...like with big guns and leather vests and big hats...ooooh.....how...Brokeback? Knves and guns and hearty men...eek:eek:

Lets analyze everyone!

WildfreudAlaska
 
Since there is overwhelming evidence of the failures of these ideologies, the only reason a modern person could still follow them would be because they are into some type of self punishment or collective misery.
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I'm just curious. Are you in Psych 101 this semester or something? Becuase overall you're doing a really swing-and-a-miss job of applying psychology again.

People adhere to specific political ideologies for a host of reasons. They've been taught that way all their lives. They are a citizen of a country that is controlled by that ideology and they have no choice. They are stakeholders in the system and therefore to continue within it allows their own power base to be secure. All sorts of things. Stop pseudoanalyzing stuff that has nothing to do with the field of psychology.

Springmom
 
I've never met a real socialist (i.e. self proclaimed, not labeled as such by pro gun people) who thought that socailism has ever been implemented correctly, which is why it failed. They believe the next incarnation will be better.
They viewed the socialist dictatorships as not being real socialism, that if applied correctly (i.e. all truly equal), it would be a better society. Some do a good job of presenting that argument.
I argue back that socialism is a failure because its nature spawns dictatorships, that the equality they are looking for is just not part of human nature.

The ones who are in it for punishment quote Marx while wearing a leather mask :)
 
Mthalo, that is a very good point. I was watching the history channel and they noted that one of the underlying drives of communism is that all the current pain and suffering is neccecary to create a future utopia. Also, that communism is anti-reality in that people are not equal. Some of us are better at math, better athletes, better business people, than others. No amount of leftist brainwashing will stop that fact.
 
Getting your historical info from the History Channel?:cool:

Wildcrackabookandtrythethreadagainyoucantsummarizeapoliticalsystemusingsoundbitesfor12yearoldsAlaska
 
I am a Socialist-type of thinker, not a straight Socialist for sure because it's outdated, but in the bracket and perhaps a new type.

I have MANY Socialist friends who are true to the Libertarian Socialist way and nothing like the fools in the American two-party Political system. It's really stupid to see Liberals and Democrats labeled as "Authoritarian Socialist" builders just because they have ridiculous views that fall into Left-Wing Politics.

I was for the general plan for the Middle East but they aren't taking care of it correctly and I am tired of seeing an American Marine going to prison for detaining one of those animal insurgents over there because the Liberal Media deems it against Human rights.

Most of my Socialist friends are for Gun ownership and the Castle Doctrine, we don't have anything against war when it's necessary for balance, so I suppose we are all just more realistic.

Don't confuse American Liberals and American "leftists" in the two party system whom are truly a moderate on the international Political scale by having a few Leftist views.

I often hear Sarah Brady called a Socialist and then name your pick Democrat and that's ridiculous since all parties that are major in the United States are pro-Capitalist parties.

Here is an example of a twisted Hard-Left nut organization that isn't realistic:

www.cpusa.org
 
I said in another thread asking about personality structure on a gun forum is like getting us to give you instructions about how to do your own brain surgery. Basically, you are just posturing and trying to make you feel like a tough guy.

If you want realistic info on personality structure and politics - go to the library and research it. In the real journals.
 
I'm sorry. I was reading this thread, and then started having a psychadelic flashback into pure tie-dyed abstraction.

Do any of you actually have a non-abstract, fact-based point that you'd like to make? For example, are any of you talking about a particular country, regime, political affiliation, or any concrete and definable group of people? This philosophical nonsense is pure intellectual self-gratification.
 
Alaska, it is not my job to make you feel insecure about yourself. Good day.
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Great..now I have to take out my junior psychology kit (complete with inflatable couch, plastic pince nez and pointy beard) and spend the rest of the day looking in the mirror and talking about my momma to myself.

WildwheresthethorazinenurserachettAlaska
 
mthalo said:
I argue back that socialism is a failure because its nature spawns dictatorships, that the equality they are looking for is just not part of human nature.
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ah but on that same token one could argue that capitalism by nature spawns oligarchy which is equally as heinous as a dictatorship or a theocracy or a monarchy ;)
 
Great..now I have to take out my junior psychology kit (complete with inflatable couch, plastic pince nez and pointy beard) and spend the rest of the day looking in the mirror and talking about my momma to myself.


It would be more Freudian if you took out your inflatable momma and went with it on the couch and ... :barf:

Oh, well - IBTL - lots of pseudopsych barf on gun lists. :D
 
ah but on that same token one could argue that capitalism by nature spawns oligarchy which is equally as heinous as a dictatorship or a theocracy or a monarchy
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Redworm, I have spent many hours discussing (politely arguing:) ) this with him, as he feels this what's happened in the USA.

On a gun related note, he is NOT anti-gun (he likes my Makarov ;)), so I take exception to every anti-gunner being labled a socialist.
 
Since I seriously doubt there are any Communists ON this list, I doubt that's a concern. If you're calling people Communists, then you're way off base.

But then so is the premise of the thread. :rolleyes:

Springmom
 
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