Colorado "Red Flag" bill is very bad

[5whiskey]

When people are Free, some will do evil.

But a Government that stifles Freedom under the guise of "fighting evil" stifles all people,evil or not.

As a government becomes larger,more controlling,more punitive,it becomes evil itself.

This is a very simple, and accurate, way of describing a large issue that America is facing. At least in the context of discussing appropriate size and actions of our Government.

 

[doofus47]

SIGSHR: What next-protective custody?

don't give them any ideas.....

Basically, the Dems own everything in Colorado this term. They're gonna get everything on their wish list. I'm not holding my breath for any way out but the legal route.

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

Prove to us you aren't a witch!

IIRC, from my college history, they would submerge the accused. If the accused drowned, they were innocent.

What next-protective custody?

We all know their end game. Total confiscation. That's the goal.

the Dems own everything in Colorado this term.

For years I entertained the notion of retiring in Colorado. The fact that it has fallen so far, so fast, boggles the mind.

 

[Glenn E. Meyer]

The psychiatric and psychological professions have raised the problem of such laws being based on faulty predictive instruments and/or the risk of folks not seeking help because of fearful legal consequences. The latter is a problem currently with LEOs and military who think seeking help will tank their careers and that fear is legitimate.

However, legislators don't pay much attention to science that goes against their position (that's true of the entire political spectrum).

 

[HiBC]

There is no provision whatsoever in this bill for any contact or evaluation with or by any medical or mental health professional as part of the process.

Some advocate for the bill included an excerpt that allows submitting evidence of any past mental health contact as evidence to issue the order.

It all takes place with the accused being unaware anything is happening.

The accused is given no opportunity to cross examine the accuser.

The order is written,and the burden of proof (How do you prove you represent no danger? What more can anyone do than simply say "I have no desire to harm anyone" What more could YOU do?)

If our Constitution does not protect the Minority of One Individua Human Being,The Right to be secure in our propert,protection from unreasonable search and seizure,the Right to Keep and Bear arms,and the due process rights,such as the right to confront the accuser,and being innocent until proven guilty.....What is left? What is left????

All that this bill needs is the Governor's signature.

 

[zukiphile]

There is no provision whatsoever in this bill for any contact or evaluation with or by any medical or mental health professional as part of the process.

(8) (a) BEFORE ISSUING AN EXTREME RISK PROTECTION ORDER, THE23 COURT SHALL CONSIDER WHETHER THE RESPONDENT MEETS THE24 STANDARD FOR A COURT-ORDERED EVALUATION FOR PERSONS WITH25 MENTAL HEALTH DISORDERS PURSUANT TO SECTION 27-65-106. IF THE26 COURT DETERMINES THAT THE RESPONDENT MEETS THE STANDARD, THEN,27
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IN ADDITION TO ISSUING AN EXTREME RISK PROTECTION ORDER, THE1 COURT SHALL ORDER MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT AND EVALUATION2 AUTHORIZED PURSUANT TO SECTION 27-65-106 (6).

http://leg.colorado.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2019A/bills/2019a_1177_01.pdf

On re-reading, I see this should only occur at the hearing for which a respondent has notice and at which he has counsel, not at the TRO hearing at which only the petitioner is present.

 

[armoredman]

AZ versions all died in committee...unless the Gov pulls a fast one like last year and breaks the Senate rules.

 

[44 AMP]

The state of CO politics, beyond the specific "Red Flag" laws under discussion is not on topic to the conversation.

hint, hint...

 

[Al Norris]

To further emphasize what 44 AMP said, 4 posts were deleted as being off topic.