Clinton candidly admits spiritual struggles

God can forgive him.
That doesn't mean he isn't still an idiot.
Just a forgiven idiot.

G50,
A Christian asks forgiveness because they know what they did was wrong, and are prepared to not repeat what they did. Bill is sorry he got caught, not sorry for anything he did. 5 will get you 10, as he was doing the misty eye thing, he was checking out some of the local talet in in the audience. The guy is a pig, and without remorse.
 
The Kristian religion teaches that personal responsability is a non-issue. Since god is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent; that means he is everywhere, knows all and has power over all; everything that happens IS the will of god. This belief system by its very definition does not allow for the existance of personal responsability. God created us knowing that we would sin, so therefore he must have wanted us to sin for some reason or another. If god did not want us to sin, he would stop us because according to the Kristian religion, God's will is sovereign over all. Bill Klinton does not have the ability to do anything that god does not want him to, if that were the case it would make god less than omnipotent.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by G50AE:
The Kristian religion teaches that personal responsability is a non-issue. Since god is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent; that means he is everywhere, knows all and has power over all; everything that happens IS the will of god. This belief system by its very definition does not allow for the existance of personal responsability. God created us knowing that we would sin, so therefore he must have wanted us to sin for some reason or another. If god did not want us to sin, he would stop us because according to the Kristian religion, God's will is sovereign over all. Bill Klinton does not have the ability to do anything that god does not want him to, if that were the case it would make god less than omnipotent.[/quote]

I believe the point being, that God knows what the future holds in store for you, but you do not. In that sense, you are still in control of your future. Only God knows how it will end.

You may continue to live your life believing that God will always take care of you. Yes, he will.. but he expects you to take care of yourself.

At any rate, I accept your opinion. In the same light, you should do the same of others.

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!
 
G50AE,

That's some cute circular logic.

You're calling the elephant a snake because all you can see is the trunk. You're missing a few pieces.

Since you don't have an e-mail available, this is my invitation to you to take this off the board and discuss it with me.

If you choose not to fill in the gaps with the additional pieces you are missing, then this is my invitation for you to skip all topics that mention Christianity or Christian.

We don't need bigoted bitterness, just your knowledge and enthusiasm for firearms, self-defense, and the 2nd Amendment.

I know that you are knowledgable enough to contribute positively in at least those three areas.

Sincerely,


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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
John/az2,
Thanks for the vote of confidence. :rolleyes: Although I am neither bitter nor bigoted. I guess you couldn't resist taking that cheap shot at someone who does not have the same opinion as you do.

Please don't start a flame war just because you do not (or perhaps cannot) understand what I am saying.
 
G50AE,

So far, every post that I have read from you in the last few days has been uninformed and bigoted (yes, bigoted) toward the Christian (or as you spell it "Kristian") religion, and has had a bitter tone.

I don't care what religion you are, but whatever it is I'm sure I'm not well qualified to opine about it. So, before you post such bitter diatribe again, get informed.

Having a different opinion is fine. Stubbornly retaining an ignorant opinion and posting it at every opportunity, is not. Opinions are not fact.

But, whatever your opinion is about (K)ristians it doesn't belong here.

I would have responded to you in e-mail but you evidently don't have it.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com

[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited August 13, 2000).]
 
The only struggle Klinton has to deal with is
how to keep his genitalia from getting caught in his zipper.

The guy is a scumbag, and that won't change until he is burning in hell.

Waterdog
 
G50AE, I'm curious...have you ever read the Bible, thoughtfully?

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"Unless the Lord builds the house, they labour in vain that build it:
except the Lord guards the city, the watchman stays awake in vain." (Psalm 127:1)


"Freedom is given to the human conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility."
(Alexander Solzhenitzyn)
 
**awaits a moderator to save this thread from becoming a flame..**

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!
 
Clinton’s struggles are much more focused on getting his zipper down than on keeping his spirits elevated.
 
I ask John/az2 to not continue his blatent attempt to flame me, and this is what happens? KaMaKaZeE, I appologize for John/az2's ignorance.
 
Religion & Politics do not go well together, although sometimes they do intermix at times.
It is best not to mix them, we all have differing beliefs etc.

Artical 1, of The Bill of Rights.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,

It also means you have freedom from religion, if you so desire.

It seems to me that during this election process that not only is the race card being played, but also the religious card, by both Repub and Democraps. We don`t need to bring this here.I went through that else where. :(
 
BHP; I think the idea of freedom of and from religion is that nobody forces you to have a particular one. You can have any or none. There is no prohibition from discussing any aspect of any religion.
At least that is how I see it.

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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."

Better days to be,

Ed
 
Maybe, Hanoi Jane and Klinton can form a club, called the "Unforgiven."

I can't forgive them for what they did to this country by embarrassing and insulting Americans by their thoughtless actions.
For Klinton, it is more than just the act itself...it is the fact that he represents the highest office in this Great Nation and if he had any morals and a conscience, then he should have stepped down from office. If he had any respect for the office...he should be regretful not "forgetful."
Aw, heck! :mad:; :mad:
 
G50,
You are highly uneducated in the area of Christianity. This is what ruins informative forums. People who don't know anything but yet feel they need to share there ignorance as if they are an authority on the subject. You did not have to slam a religion to reply to the topic. You choose to use this thread as an excuse to fume your personal problems. This is why you are getting flamed.

According to the Bible example, God Knows all but he doesn't attempt control all actions. If he did we wouldn't have a Bible. He allows us to run our own path but occaisionally He has to correct us to move us in the right direction. The overall reason for His giving us free will is so we can choose to follow him. He wants us to follow him out of love not because we are programmed to do so. He understands our nature because He made us. This is why he forgives us. He knows we can't help but sin but he wants us to come to him to correct our sin.

Please take the time to at least do a little research before you slam a religion and if you want to discredit someones religion in the future go to the Religion Firing Line.

Oh and by the way, John didn't flame you, he just commented on what you wrote in your post. You on the other hand are flameing Christians by all of your comments.

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"It is easier to get out of jail then it is a morgue"
Live long and defend yourself!
John 3:16
NRA lifer
GOA
GSSF
KABA

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Yea
spiritual struggles,zipper struggles,cigar struggles,telling the truth struggles,etc,etc,etc,etc :rolleyes:Originally posted by KaMaKaZe:
"to have gained a measure of forgiveness from Americans for his affair with Monica Lewinsky."
--Not from this American!
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