Civilian ownership of fully automatic weapons

smince said:

My own belief is that, if you follow the true spirit of the 2nd Ammendment, every American should be required to possess whatever the current battle rifle of our Armed Forces is. After all, we ARE the Militia, correct? Citizen Soldiers? The Right of the PEOPLE...
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You're exactly right. The SCOTUS (in Miller) almost said the same thing.

Unfortunately they didn't just come out and say it, so we're still up the creek, but I believe they get it.

If a case with merit ever gets to them, I think we'd have an excellent chance with that argument. It just can't be somebody like Miller.
 
You next mention "One 7.62 will cost you around 50 cents ...". If you refer to 7.62 x 39mm rounds, last time I looked, 1000 rounds went for $100, +- a little, though I haven't the proverbial clue as to the cost of ammunition in California. If you were talking about 7.62 x 51 mm/7.62 NATO/308 Winchester, while it is more expensive, it didn't come anywhere close to $0.50/round, at least not for mil surplus.
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Thanks, the only numbers I could find were for boxes of 20 of .308 Win.
 
.50 for one round of 7.62??? Remind me to never buy ammo where you shop. I'm paying .14 a round.
Of course I'm speaking of surplus FMJ.
 
I'll interject my personal feeling on this, please dont rip my head off. I dont see any legitimate need for a civilian to own a full auto weapon. The sole purpose of these things is to kill many people at once, they are military anti-personnel weapons. Before people respond with, "why do you need a handgun" argument, the difference in lethality of a full auto weapon compared to a handgun, is night and day. Both weapons are lethal, but full auto, much more so. Semi-auto weapons like the springfield socom .308 dont bother me, but the full auto thing scares me. If one of these guns gets into the wrong hands, there will be some serious damage done in short order. I'm entitled to this viewpoint, so please dont mock me, or try to tear me down. I'm just simply stating my position on a complicated issue.
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I also see no need for a lot of other things, too. Let's ban cars with anything above a certain power to weight ratio. Only reason to have one is to go fast, right?

How long does that kitchen knife REALLY need to be?

Does anyone really NEED a 5000 square foot home?

Does anyone really NEED 5 kids? 10 dogs? Seven televisions?

Does anyone really NEED to make more than $50,000 a year?

I have SERIOUS issues with other people deciding what I do and don't need.
 
You really want an answer to that ?

Because the American people let them. It's that simple. The American people are too busy sitting in front of the TV watching Daning with the Stars to care about what the government is doing. So, they do whatever they want.
I hope I didn't really have to tell you that.
 
Its also the old chestnut of "Well it doesnt directly affectme, so why should I care?" Vast majority of people have never seen a full automatic weapon in real life, so to them its a non-issue. If you trotted out a law saying that no commercial vehicle should be made that can go over 100 mph, most people would say 'fine.' Its the plain fact that the idiots dont look at the long view and see the creeping legislation.

Most gun people probably would support some of the bans on 'any ammunition capable of going through a police officer's vest.' Yet they dont realize that covers pretty much every rifle bullet out there. So suddenly all the 'casual' gun owners cant figure out why they cant buy ammunition for their rifles any more.

Short answer, do not allow ANY legislation limiting guns, ammunition, ownership, or gun rights. Its all a stepping stone.

What really steams me is the number of frivolous bills that kept being presented in my own State (PA). There are DOZENS of them every year. Most of them never get anywhere, but you have to keep on top of them because that ONE might slip through. All kinds of things like limiting number of guns you can buy a month, tax on ammunition, assault weapon bans, conditions on where/how you can carry a gun. Its unbelievable. Thats a LOT of $$$ being wasted by these liberals that could go towards legitimate needs.

Ok, enough ranting for now.
 
George F:

Re the idiotic legislation proposed in PA, take a look at where the proposers reside. Most of them from Philadelphia and or it's environs, and one or two others from Pittsburgh and it's environs. I'm located in Pittsburgh area. It is a shame that so uch time and effort has to be designated to checking such foolishness, but that's life.

as for the "casual" gun owners yu mentioned,I'm afraid tha yu are a lot more right than wrong on that point. Sad thing is that the genre never seems to learn, but that applies to many,many people.
 
Full auto

I think like this. Full spray or shot placement. Both have their merits. My kimber 45 will fire as fast as I pull the trigger for 10. My 7mm bolt demands accuracy but at 1650 ft lbs at 500 yds it is enough to take a caribou. The 12 gauge buckshot will take a crowd. That's my .02
 
Feelings, opinions and similar bs

I have a very dear mentor. Older. More experienced. He doesn't hesitate to roil people, have opinions and express feelings. He is always fighting with people and is very frustrated.

In my life experience, most people don't change, are focused on themselves and believe that he/she must have a feeling or an opinion on every subject.

So, someone with an opinion, who says that he is concealing an opinion, asks a question. Does he want other people's logic, feelings or opinions? Who knows? Probably not. He can't wait to express his opinion. Hmmm.

I simply listen. I want to know what works for me or can work for me.

Should people be allowed:
1. to own machine guns;
2. have two husbands;
3. own 5 cars;
4. make over $200,000;
5. have the right to commit suicide;
6. have the right to have an abortion?

Do you really care? Or do you simply have to express an opinion on every subject? And, if you really care, ask yourself why.

Don't think civilians should own machine guns, then don't own one.
Don't think that people should smoke, then don't you smoke.
Don't think that people should drink, then don't you drink.
Don't think that people should have coin collections, then don't you have one.

Don't like something, then pass a law.
If people don't obey the law, don't be surprised.

How many people do you think stop at stop signs, obey traffic lights at 2 am, pay taxes that are owed because it is the right thing to do? Darn few. Most comply because they subjectively feel that it is in their own best interest.:rolleyes:
 
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