Cimarron SAA

I have had one annoyance, empty casings are very hard to push out until they cool down. If I put it aside five minutes then they push out. I guess the cylinder is rough but can't see any problem.
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Quentin2, without seeing the gun my guess would be the cylinder chambers are bored a little on the large side.
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Thanks for that possibility, Bob. I'll have to measure the cylinders to find out if that's the case. I hadn't thought of a possible manufacturing issue, just rough surfaces in the cylinder. I'll have to run this by Cimarron if only to test their customer support and see what they think.

If it is the case, hopefully it's rare and wouldn't affect current Model Ps if you get one. (I haven't heard anyone else complain of this.) I hope I am able to get a 45ACP cylinder eventually since it's easier to find than 45 Colt. Ordered one 4 months ago and last update was that Uberti was very slow getting them into the USA so no ETA yet.
 
Why do you feel the need to say this? Do you suggest we call it something else?
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Because I am picky and like things to be correct. Yes, I suggest you call it a Colt Clone, or Single Action Army replica, which is exactly what it is. I also never use the term 45 Long Colt. If you don't care to read that, you are free to ignore what I write.
 
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Because I am picky and like things to be correct. Yes, I suggest you call it a Colt Clone, or Single Action Army replica, which is exactly what it is. I also never use the term 45 Long Colt.
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I believe it was you who broke me from referring to the copies as "SAAs" and I tend to agree with you. "Clone" I don't like, and replica is too stilted, I prefer "copy." Agree on the term .45 Colt. Now if we can get rid of the terms ".45 Schofield" and "M911" you will have done a service to the whole shooting community who demand precise terms.

Bob Wright
 
I own a cimerron thunderer and 2 uberti cattlemen in 45. they are well made a well finished and I am happy with all 3 of them.
 
Another here in agreement with the proper use of the term "SAA." For non-Colts, I like, simply, "single action revolver," "single action," or the various brand-specifics like "Cattleman," etc.
 
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I think most people are intelligent enough to figure out that "Uberti" or "Pietta" immediately preceding "SAA" should imply that it is a clone/replica and not the Colt Single Action Army.

Colt's trademark on SAA protects it against other manufacturers. Not people talking on online forums.
 
What I've been wondering is:

If the Italian guns are "Colt clones," why do they all have one-piece grips, and if I understand correctly, no locator pin?
 
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There were no SAAs made by Uberti.
Colt has been involved with percussion replicas that were supplied as parts, but never Uberti Single Action Armies.
Denis
 
What about all those 1970s Colt SAAs that actually were made by Uberti?
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Pure gun shop myth.


If the Italian guns are "Colt clones," why do they all have one-piece grips, and if I understand correctly, no locator pin?
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Because the original army issue SAA had one-piece walnut grips. One piece grips don't need a locator pin. :rolleyes:
 
I believe it was you who broke me from referring to the copies as "SAAs" and I tend to agree with you. "Clone" I don't like, and replica is too stilted, I prefer "copy." Agree on the term .45 Colt. Now if we can get rid of the terms ".45 Schofield" and "M911" you will have done a service to the whole shooting community who demand precise terms.
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Uh oh, we're starting to drift off topic a bit, but I have to ask, what's wrong with .45 Schofield? I do know that originally it was designated as Revolver Ball Cartridge, Caliber .45, M1875. The Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson by Supica and Nahas, usually refers to the round as .45 S&W, but they do mention at some point 'aka .45 Schofield'. And all my Starline brass is headstamped 45 SCHOFIELD. Am I missing something?

I had to look twice to see what was wrong with M911. :)
 
44flattop,

I get that one-piece grips don't need a pin, but the reason I mentioned it is that apparently the lack of a pin makes it difficult to switch to two-piece grips if desired.

I had forgotten that the original SAAs had one-piece grips, however. That explains it, thank you. It seems the first two-piece grips appeared in 1882.
 
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Driftwood Johnson:
Uh oh, we're starting to drift off topic a bit, but I have to ask, what's wrong with .45 Schofield? I do know that originally it was designated as Revolver Ball Cartridge, Caliber .45, M1875. The Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson by Supica and Nahas, usually refers to the round as .45 S&W, but they do mention at some point 'aka .45 Schofield'. And all my Starline brass is headstamped 45 SCHOFIELD. Am I missing something?

I had to look twice to see what was wrong with M911.
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Note also that the .45 Colt is also referred to as the ".45 Long Colt", even some gun manufacturers refer to the ".45 L.C." My point is that all commercial cartridges have been head stamped ".45 S & W" and cartridge boxes marked ".45 Smith & Wesson", with the possible exception of current "cowboy loads."

As to the M911 that's my typo error, meant "M1911" which has become a generic term for any current auto pisto that even resembles the Colt Government Model pistol, no matter how slight the resemblence.


Bob Wright
 
What about all those 1970s Colt SAAs that actually were made by Uberti?
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The SAA never had Italian origins of any sort.

There were open-top percussion replicas refinished by Colt that were of Italian origins...possibly Uberti.

There are also rumors that the Colt "Cowboy" had at least some Italian parts, which was believable due to the horrific quality control problems that doomed the guns. Those were an attempt to compete with Ruger, complete with a proper internal safety.
 
My point is that all commercial cartridges have been head stamped ".45 S & W" and cartridge boxes marked ".45 Smith & Wesson"
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As for the headstamps, it's alot easier to fit "S&W" than it is to fit "S&W Schofield" or even just "Schofield".

I think we can let .45 Schofield slide, considering the Schofield was the only gun specifically chambered for it, with the exception of a handful of special order New Model No. 3s.
 
Well, they're not specifically 'cowboy loads' but this is the headstamp on current Starline 45 Schofield brass. Not too difficult to fit the whole word Schofield on there.

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I must admit I don't yet have any antique Schofield rounds in my cartridge collection, so I wasn't aware of what the headstamp was.

P.S. Just found this photo at oldammo.com, so I stand corrected.

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Here is a link to the page where he discusses why two different length cartridges both say 45 Colt on them:

http://www.oldammo.com/march08.htm
 
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